Red Flags and Radicals: A Detransitioner writes

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Red Flags and Radicals: A Detransitioner’s Response to the Unhappiness of Andrea Long Chu

Interesting article from a detransitioner. I skimmed through that Andrea Long Chu article in the NYT the other day and was amazed. This is not normal or healthy behaviour, and it is a sign of how messed up we have become that anyone could think it is and that people feeling like that should be given surgery and hormones on demand.

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Very interesting article. Thanks for posting.

Carey is a beautiful writer of great subtlety.

She's brilliant, isn't she?

Great writing and she nails the "radical queer" worldview.

I know someone whose daughter only spent a year on testosterone but who has now developed a chronic health problem her doctors believe is related to it. There are going to be so many cases like this. She is in the US where hormones are handed out like Smarties.

Detransition rates 0.99% at UK NHS gender clinic. Less than those that regret abortion.

The landscape is changing so fast and research into detransition has been so difficult and sparse that I'd take that statistic with a large pinch of salt.

And even if it was only 1 in a 100 we're not talking about somebody regretting a tattoo or a piercing. Taking testosterone for a few years will leave a woman with permanent facial hair and lowered voice, may affect fertility and as mentioned above there is the possibility of other health problems. If the woman had proceeded to surgery and had a mastectomy or hysterectomy, that's horrific.

Detransition rates 0.99% at UK NHS gender clinic. Less than those that regret abortion.

Feminist4, this assertion stood out to me on the Whittle thread.

Where is the evidence of 0.99pc detransition at NHS clinics? From which point in transition (from surgery onwards or from 'living in role' onwards)?

What about the self-IDers who never see the inside of a clinic?

Or the children who detransition at rates of approximately 80pc when left alone?

Carey is a beautiful writer of great subtlety.

And then there are the people arguing the other perspective (points up). The comparison is quite striking, isn't it?

Yup.

And then there are the people arguing the other perspective (points up). The comparison is quite striking, isn't it?

Yep. Stark. Even the professors involved are nigh-on illiterate.

I find the detransitioners, as a whole, a tremendously articulate and thoughtful community. Also, challenging for me personally. I kind of expect them to be like ex-smokers, you know? Evangelical, dire warnings, all that. And yes, a few are, but most aren't.

Carey is so clever and delicate and subtle in that piece, you can't help but compare to the clodhopping abusive manner of those still in the cult, can you?

Interesting that fewer than 1% of trans people regret transitioning.

www.quora.com/How-common-is-it-for-transgender-people-to-regret-their-gender-transition-possibly-to-the-point-of-transitioning-back

Interesting that you take to heart the 1 % who regret transitioning more than all those poor women who regret their abortions. Hmm, I wonder why?

To be precise feminist4, they examined the files of 303 current gender clinic patients and three had at some point gone through a detransition. A limitation which the researchers themselves pointed out. I don't think that tells us much about actual rates of regret or detransition. For that you would have to track down people who were patients 10 or 20 years earlier.

I think you are struggling to digest that many trans people regret their decision, which is not in fact born out by the statistics. For this reason people on here drag up individual cases to use as evidence.

Suggest, not digest.

There is a really interesting feminist question about whether abortion simply provides the means for women to be sexually available to men and for their to be no consequences to the men. Women are the ones who have to bear the brunt of fertility decisions.

But this thread is not about abortion regret last time I looked. It is about de-transitioning.

Their = there of course

Ladies ! Please stop talking about a subject that Feminist4 finds difficult. It’s almost as if you believe we have freedom of speech here in the UK.

I don’t find the subject difficult, I find it misguided and transphobic.

Why is it transphobic? Genuine question.

Some people use the word “ transphobic “ to mean “ subjects I find difficult “ or “ opinions I disagree with “. I think you are one of them.

And I’m really suprised that you are trying to silence the voices of people who have in the past identified as trans. It makes me wonder why you would do that.