I was one of the transactivists on the channel 4 documentary, I regret what I did — this is why

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Someone who was filmed trying to stop the “we need to talk” session now thinks they were wrong for attempting to shut down debate and realises that they were intimidating women

Don't be daft, Italian! You're not foolish. Some of us are more battle-hardened than others is all.

The strong women on this board are amazing.

Urgh - just read that Betts piece on shelters... What is it with the "if there's a problem then it can be sorted out afterwards" brigade? Why don't they care about trying to stop a problem arising in the first place, whether that's girls stopping sports, women being assaulted or women being (re)traumatized by encountering a male bodied person in a place that is supposed to be a safe escape for them?

I doubt many males at university have much of an awareness of how & why refuges came to be.
Or the reality of the services & the needs of the women & children who need them.

Or indeed the nature and impact of male pattern abuse, control and violence against women.

The amazing work that Luke & Ryan Hart are doing to raise awareness following the murder of their Mum & sister is really worth following and supporting:

from their website:
'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke
As two young men who have lost the greatest parts of our lives to domestic homicide, we have committed to raising awareness and speaking out against male violence towards women and children. Our debut book, Operation Lighthouse, is available on Amazon.

We have delivered speeches at a variety of events internationally. We are always looking for opportunities to share their story and challenge male violence against women and children in our roles as White Ribbon Ambassadors and Refuge Champions."

www.operationlighthouse.co.uk/

twitter: twitter.com/CoCoAwareness?lang=en

I doubt many males at university have much of an awareness of how & why refuges came to be.

Yes, to them it is a philosophical abstraction rather than a blood and guts, life or death thing that it is for women.

It is so galling that males feel entitled to pontificate about womens lives. What next would be a jolly good topic for debate - 'Should Women Be Beaten With Sticks For Saying No?

It is all about male power, privilege and entitlement to discuss, as a form of light amusement, what rights and freedoms women are 'allowed'.

Also a lot of young women have no idea about the relationship between Rape Crisis/women's refuges and the feminist movement. They imagine they were always there - probably given as a kindness by men.

If these wokesters really give a shit about 'transpeople' fleeing violence, they'll turn their homes into refuges and bloody rescue them in a half hour window (while the bastard's out) like women's libbers did.

Karen Ingala Smith discussing the realities of women's services and refuges which includes the nature of the 'risk assessment'which is done.

It is very different to what trans rights activists and advocates appear to believe or suggest.

'A Woman's Place is speaking the Truth' (Leeds, 28th September 2018)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldBKo6F6S2M

Miranda talking to Esther tomorrow. Live stream here:

Online now

Will this be available to watch as a whole, don't want to start half way through.

I'm listening and Esther is brave to put herself in that position. No I don't agree with everything Esther says but in my opinion, the venomous, hateful comments coming from other listeners are completely unjustified. One of those commenting is Posie and although I have a lot of respect for her, I wish she would reign in on the hate.

I think Esther is brave but I am narked by an awful lot of what Esther says.

Spare us the sanctimony thingybob. This is a disturbed man insisting he will do what he wants and women should not have the right to object. And that women in the UK don't understand the experience of women in other cultures therefore he's a woman too, we just don't understand. But yes let's not say anything offensive back to the self obsessed shit.

He believes men should take part in women's sports.

He has female neurology so he's a woman. He's a complete idiot.

I think there's hope with Esther.
A long road ahead, but hopefully what seems like a sincere process of reasoning will get Esther there in the end.

Long time since I've visited this thread; I managed to catch the end of the live stream.

Fair-play to Ester for having a discussion with Miranda. I was dismissive of the apology and I'd like to hear this is full - is this going to be possible? I can't see the comments on YouTube.

Only been listening for the past 20 mins or so and will go back to listen to the whole thing later - don't know if comments will be available afterwards.

I'm finding it quite interesting listening to Esther but have noticed how easily they have managed to change the direction of the discussion a couple of times.

Thingybob - i'm not sure I'd call Esther brave, but I think the opening up of conversation can only be positive, if only to give an insight on how TRAs see their world.

Loved the "bye mate" from Esther to Miranda at the end. Never use this phrase myself, never have ... most often heard between blokes but what do I know.

Big thanks to Miranda for hosting this.

I can't see the comments on YouTube

It was in the live chat. It's disappeared for me too now and sorry I don't know if there is a way to get it up again

I think it's simply that Esther is growing up. EB is young and uninformed about a lot of world problems, as we all were at that age. The tragedy is that young people these days have to do their growing up on a world stage.

I note that EB is also in contact with Debbie Hayton and now Miranda Yardley. Isn't that to be celebrated rather than derided that EB is actively listening to all sides?

I feel quite indulgent about EB's youth, it's a mumsy trait of mine, but I try to stay mindful that the young are the ones who can be manipulated into perpetrating the worst atrocities in history though.

It is painful to see that EB thinks women aren't entitled to a name or spaces for our own sex and that men are entitled to find refuge in our name and spaces if they don't feel at home among sexist, potentially violent men.

It's a bit -of the idea that women are just failed men rather than real, biologically distinct people with a shared social condition distinct from all males. Basically EB is sexist. "Men are whatever they say they are and women are what ever men say they are".

I don't actually feel indulgent with adult males at all. Esther is not a child, not even a teen. Esther has been indulged enough.

If I go on a what I really think rant - I'd say that extended childhood and low expectations of teens/young adults is a part of the whole phenomenon. That teenagers younger than Esther have fought and died (literally) in wars to protect our freedoms.

The last thing Esther needs, imo, is more mummies coddling.

You sound very cross ALittleBit. How am I indulging Esther by listening to what Esther has to say? Was Miranda indulging Esther too?

As for more mummies coddling - what a snarky and condescending comment to make. Still, you got what you wanted - way to shut down people with opinions you don't like. Well done.

I think it was a response to me. Not a general one.

IAmNotInvisible
Get over yourself. I'm allowed an opinion too (shutting who down?)

WeRiseUp
Sorry, my post was jumping off the wording of yours, not specifically to you. I would've direct quoted you if I was talking directly to you rather than generally- but I accept that I probably wasn't clear in that regard.

To be clear - I don't much care what others choose to do/think regarding Esther. My posts are just my own general musings.

My personal thoughts are that headpatting an adult for bare minimum appropriate behaviour is part and parcel of indulging entitled man-babies. I said earlier on this thread that I had a baby and a mortgage by Esther's age. I hope Esther has people around them who love them, but love is not the same as enabling extended adolescence.

I'm not offended. Its a fair point.