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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lily Madigan and the School Saga

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dillydallyXX · 24/11/2018 09:50

Lily Madigan has been self-praising again, with more details about how they "sued" their school.

They hired a "team of solicitors", to "advice" Lily and the "principle" gave in on all their "demands".

The truth is slightly different.

Lily arrived at school wearing basically a boob tube. They were sent home because it was against uniform policy. Any girl wearing that for school would have been asked to change or go home. It's clear Lily was looking for a reason to kick things off.

Lily was not "made to wear a man's suit". They were asked to adhere to the school uniform - like any pupil. The girls wear a blazer too and can wear a skirt or trousers; many girls choose to wear trousers and the blazer.

Lily organised a petition. It was an ONLINE petition, quite different to a paper one. The support Lily claimed she had is very difficult to prove.

The school's staff tried very hard to placate Lily. They had meetings with their mother, the pastoral care team, etc - and got nowhere. It apparently caused distress to Lily's younger sister who was at school.

Lily contacted a solicitor in London. Because of the Equality Act the school did have to cater to transgender pupils - and when the school was informed of their obligations they changed their policy in accordance to the Act.

There was no suing of the school. There was no legal action, certainly no "legal battle", as Lily repeatedly claims.

There was no victimisation of Lily. Afterwards, the school said they had tried very hard for Lily and their words and actions had been deliberately twisted.

And now Lily still says that "they won", they "got it all", and that they did all this behind their parents' backs, and then "embarked on a media tour".

Lily's parents knew about it all, right from the day Lily was sent home.

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GrumpyGran8 · 14/12/2018 18:37

On ITV a while back there was a show about trans people, called 'Transition Street'. There was a young guy who was now living as a woman, changed the name, etc, etc. And she now was "trans". When she spoke and acted you immediately thought she was a gay guy. She said her father was very anti-gay, would never accept his son as gay, but could deal with trans. So, lo and behold, the son said they were trans. All he wanted really was his father's acceptance
This makes me think of Iran, where homosexuality (the male kind, at least) is illegal and gay men are offered the choice of death or gender transition. Naturally they take the latter. They can still be gay (I've not checked, but apparently they only need have 'top' surgery), but now that they're officially women they can legally have sex with men. Hypocrisy at its finest.

sorenipples · 14/12/2018 19:19

I wonder if Lily has been reading this, she's produced evidence of her involvement in saving the sure start centres
mobile.twitter.com/lesbianleftie/status/1073625799767535616

I think we ought to be very careful about spreading unsubstantiated speculation.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/12/2018 19:23

So says honest Lil. And someone stole the pinafore (bit of a beg there?)

sorenipples · 14/12/2018 19:38

However tempting, sometimes I think of the lurkers and don't post what I think.

dillydallyXX · 14/12/2018 19:39

@OlennasWimple Yes, I agree with you there. Not all transwomen were gay men previously, but a lot were. I wasn't implying all were.

As somebody else said here, it is wrong to generalise and make suppositions about Lily - but when you read about her family background and her awkwardness about genitalia and sexual behaviour, it is easy, frankly, to come to a conclusion about her.

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TinselAngel · 14/12/2018 19:46

There are plenty of Trans women who are with other Trans women, to be fair.

morningtoncrescent62 · 14/12/2018 19:49

This is why it’s medically accurate for medical experts to say Gender Confirmation Surgery for trans women truly creates a vagina through the inversion of the penis. It’s merely reversing biological mistake that happened during fetal development.

OK, let's see if I've got this right. The fetus is gendered, with its correct gender wired in by some magical process prior to birth. At conception? Or part of the hormonal mix? It's not specified. And then at some stage of pre-birth development subsequent to the wiring in of the gendered soul (for want of a better expression), 'biology' makes a mistake and the fetus grows a girldick. Or does the part in question only become a girldick when the child or adult decides they're really a women born in the wrong body?

Sorry, I've tried, but none of this makes the teensiest shred of sense to me.

dillydallyXX · 14/12/2018 19:53

@TinselAngel

But doesn't what you have just said prove how nebulous the whole area is. Are two transwomen together a lesbian relationship? Or are two transwomen - who both have male genitalia - a homosexual relationship?

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Needmoresleep · 14/12/2018 21:39

Stonewall has a very wide umbrella. Room, for Lily. Room for us all.

WomanOfTime · 14/12/2018 22:41

I wonder if Lily has been reading this, she's produced evidence of her involvement in saving the sure start centres

To be fair, the 'evidence' is a picture of Lily with a sign. That may be proof that Lily attended an event. What people questioned was Lily's claim that Lily organised the event and single-handedly campaigned to save the centres - as I recall, the actual organisers responded to Lily on a previous Twitter thread pointing out that Lily didn't.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 15/12/2018 08:51

As well? Blimey.

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Katvonblackdeath · 15/12/2018 13:28

It's good Lily turned up at the protest. Not convinced about the sign, given kids are normally at that kind of protest (But fine if they weren't).
Now lily needs to run off and have a good look at the meaning of the word "organise", because I'm not convinced she understands it.

LuggsaysNotaWomen · 15/12/2018 13:39

Knocking up a placard is not “organizing a protest” and I’d I wouldn’t even be that sure that they made the placard themselves.

Self agrandising is a symptom sign of which kind of personality disorder?

Answers on a postcard.

sorenipples · 15/12/2018 14:16

In case anyone is noting that Lily's photos don't actually show her at the protest .

The original of the group shot shows her and her inappropriate placard at the edge.
mobile.twitter.com/ChasIskra/status/888099359635763204/photo/1

So there you go, evidence Lily did once get her hands dirty supporting local activism.

PutYourShirtOnMartin · 15/12/2018 15:09

It's hardly Greenham Common is it? I couldn't see LM tying themselves to railings....

SlightAggrandising · 15/12/2018 17:39

How inappropriate does that placard look there. Holy moly.

dillydallyXX · 15/12/2018 19:26

Was anybody else holding a placard that was like Madigan's, with aggressive words?

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Deliriumoftheendless · 15/12/2018 20:15

I Reclaimed The Night back in ‘98.

You’re welcome.

Ereshkigal · 15/12/2018 21:32

What does the placard say? I couldn't read it on my phone.

SuperLambBananas · 15/12/2018 22:13

Babies Against Bullshit. Possibly not the vibe the congregated families were going for.