Lily Madigan and the School Saga

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Lily Madigan has been self-praising again, with more details about how they "sued" their school.

They hired a "team of solicitors", to "advice" Lily and the "principle" gave in on all their "demands".

The truth is slightly different.

Lily arrived at school wearing basically a boob tube. They were sent home because it was against uniform policy. Any girl wearing that for school would have been asked to change or go home. It's clear Lily was looking for a reason to kick things off.

Lily was not "made to wear a man's suit". They were asked to adhere to the school uniform - like any pupil. The girls wear a blazer too and can wear a skirt or trousers; many girls choose to wear trousers and the blazer.

Lily organised a petition. It was an ONLINE petition, quite different to a paper one. The support Lily claimed she had is very difficult to prove.

The school's staff tried very hard to placate Lily. They had meetings with their mother, the pastoral care team, etc - and got nowhere. It apparently caused distress to Lily's younger sister who was at school.

Lily contacted a solicitor in London. Because of the Equality Act the school did have to cater to transgender pupils - and when the school was informed of their obligations they changed their policy in accordance to the Act.

There was no suing of the school. There was no legal action, certainly no "legal battle", as Lily repeatedly claims.

There was no victimisation of Lily. Afterwards, the school said they had tried very hard for Lily and their words and actions had been deliberately twisted.

And now Lily still says that "they won", they "got it all", and that they did all this behind their parents' backs, and then "embarked on a media tour".

Lily's parents knew about it all, right from the day Lily was sent home.

Or some sympathetic lecturer/s threatened to throw their toys out of their oram?

Goldsmiths used to be a very highly respected university. If it's entry requirements have plummeted to this extent, it doesn't say much for the quality of education it provides

Incidentally, just drove past on my way to LAWS this evening. Slightly disappointed by the lack of lesser spotted Madigan sightings

Lily is in USA now... how the hell are they doing their uni work and gallivanting about....

www.gold.ac.uk/ug/ba-politics/

Entry requirements:
A-level: BBB

Hmm... And off in US half way through term? Hmmm.

I don't think she will have got the three Bs. Someone may know.

There used to be a certain amount of leeway on awarding places to people who had not got the usual qualifications but had "other things going for them". sometimes being the son or daughter of an old college friend!

In 2003 ish the HoD on my degree course at UCA offered a place on the second year to someone who had no qualifications but was a fine self taught ceramicist .

RedToothBrush - unconditional offers have been on the rise for a long time now. It's a third of offers at the moment:

A report by the Ucas admissions agency revealed that open unconditional offers continued to rise this year, from 3,000 in 2013 to 68,000, and reached 87,500 when combined with offers that became unconditional when a student made that university their firm choice.

www.theguardian.com/education/2018/nov/29/one-third-18-year-old-university-applicants-get-unconditional-offer

LM said earlier in the year that they were applying outside the normal application process because they were using life experience rather than academic qualifications for their application.

And begged for the UCAS fee, natch. (And then someone pointed out that a single institution/single course application was only £12, so they stopped banging that particular drum)

"life experience"

Bless.

I did read recently that universities are offering places to most people, regardless if they make the grades or not. Because they need student numbers and the fees for their balance sheets. I suppose Lily - whose spelling is appalling - has benefited from that.

Who are the famous trans people referred to here?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6448105/British-children-buy-sex-hormone-medication-foreign-sites-no-questions-asked.html

Wrong thread, Istanbul.

I did read recently that universities are offering places to most people, regardless if they make the grades or not. Because they need student numbers and the fees for their balance sheets. I suppose Lily - whose spelling is appalling - has benefited from that.

I heard an item on the radio about this phenomenon this week - it was discussing how the trend for 'some' universities to make 'unconditional' offers was leading to students dropping out of school without completing their A levels (about which schools are tearing their metaphorical hair out, as they are judged on their results, of course).

I wonder when the rule in force when I went to university (1976!) - that you had to have at least 2 A levels to 'matriculate' -changed?

Most of the more traditional universities are still making offers based on 3 A levels, of course - a young relative got her first offer today (from Newcastle), of AAB.

Actually quite a lot of Russell group unis are making unconditional offers, but only to students expected to get high grades. It enables a uni like Birmingham, for example, to attract students who might otherwise go to Bristol or Durham.

Actually quite a lot of Russell group unis are making unconditional offers, but only to students expected to get high grades. It enables a uni like Birmingham, for example, to attract students who might otherwise go to Bristol or Durham.

How do you mean, "a uni like Birmingham"? They're a very long-established, redbrick Russell group university.

it was discussing how the trend for 'some' universities to make 'unconditional' offers

What is meant by "unconditional offers"?
When I went to university most Scottish children went from 5th year on the basis of their Higher results which are 5 or 6 passes achieved in one sitting in 5th year. Staying on for 6th year was an optional extra.

I stayed on for 6th year but applied for university on the basis of my 5th year Higher results. The offer I got was "unconditional" as I had already more than met the entry criteria on my 5th year Higher results. It was the same for my son.

An unconditional offer in my day meant 2 Es, i.e. the minimum matriculation level.

An unconditional offer in my day meant 2 Es, i.e. the minimum matriculation level.

Indeed (or if you'd already got your A levels then it was a completely 'unconditional' offer as you already met the conditions).

As I said earlier - when did the matriculation requirement to have at least 2 A levels disappear?

Lass I was the same as I sat my highers when I was 16 and got an unconditional, so I stayed in for sixth year.

It occurs to me that if Lily got in on their political experience they will be held up as an example - you don't get a place because you've done something really badly in real life. So the other students will be told this is GOOD. I feel even more sorry for them now and they already had my sympathy - imagine doing group work with Lily!

I imagine hackmum means that universities in direct competition with each other (like Birmingham / Bristol / Durham) will do what they can to make themselves the more attractive proposition. Making an unconditional offer is definitely one way that they can secure a great student without having to wait until the summer for A Level results to come out.

But yes, in my day, unconditional offers were things like EE and (slightly ironically) only the most brilliant students got them. One of the girls in my class at school got an offer of EE to read medicine at Cambridge - she still worked and got AAAA but they desperately wanted her to go to their university and even if she had slipped and had actually only got EE she was still an outstanding young woman who was going to go far

Lass I was the same as I sat my highers when I was 16 and got an unconditional, so I stayed in for sixth year

Yes but I'm still not sure if that is what is being meant by unconditional in the sense being used here. Our offers were only unconditional because the universities already knew what our results were. If we had applied in 5th year we would have been given conditional offers.

I got an EE offer to an RG uni in 1989, which I have always assumed is because it was an extremely obscure course. It was handy because I bombed my A levels and got a B, E and a U, so I was very fortunate!

Twenty odd years ago I got two separate unconditional offers from 2 different RG universities to study my science - one was UUU and one was EE. So they did exist even then!

I got an EE offer from a couple of places back in the day (Manchester and York, I think, from hazy memory -- it all mattered so much at the time and now I can't even remember where I applied!)