Stella O'Malley, Trans Kids: It's Time To Talk

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Apologies if there is already a thread about this. Channel 4, 10.00 tonight. 'Stella O'Malley considers the huge rise in numbers of young people embarking on gender transition, through the prism of the gender identity issues she experienced when she was a child.' According to The Times no TRA groups were prepared to contribute to this . Stella feels this may be because she was a tomboy as a young girl, (even insisting she was a boy until she hit puberty), and is now a confident, mature woman who believes that nowadays she would be pressured to go down the transition route. Sounds like it will be worth watching.

Jonny Best comment:
twitter.com/JonnnyBest/status/1065387327793635329

embedded link in tweet:
'Please join us in asking Stonewall to reconsider its transgender policies and approach'
(extract)
"Stonewall’s promotion of the concept of 'gender identity’, which has it that a man or woman is anyone (of either sex) who identifies as such, is also undermining the basis of lesbian, gay and bisexual identities as orientated around same-sex attraction. Lesbians in particular are coming under pressure to accept male-bodied trans women into their spaces and as sexual partners.

At the moment, Stonewall is failing in three key ways:

By uncritically adopting a form of transgender politics which undermines the sex-based rights of women and the concept of homosexuality itself
By refusing to recognise the diversity of viewpoints on these issues, including among LGBT people.
By seeking to prevent public debate of these issues by branding as transphobic anyone who questions Stonewall’s current trans policies.
We call on Stonewall to:

Acknowledge that there are a range of valid viewpoints around sex, gender and transgender politics
Acknowledge specifically the conflict that exists between transgenderism and sex-based women’s rights
Commit to fostering an atmosphere of respectful debate, rather than demonising as transphobic those who wish to discuss or dissent from Stonewall’s current policies" (continues)
www.ipetitions.com/petition/dear-stonewall-please-reconsider-your-approach

Willoughby here seems to be calling a woman gross for giving birth and having periods.

Isn't female biology what you think you should have, Willoughby?

India's 2am tweet telling the media to sober up is hilarious.

Well! Some of the tweets about it are priceless. This one sums it up for me

these women undermining trans rights are actually disgusting me. "i dont believe you can change gender." well i dont believe i asked for your FUCKING OPINION. trans women ARE women !!!!

ACTUALLY disgusting me, gets added to LITERALLY killing me and LA LA LA LA fingers in ears

And, of course, after a programme with so many transmen it is all about the transwomen!! A telling theme through most of those twitter #transkids posts

If Stonewall aren’t going to participate in documentaries they can’t control, I think reporters need to doorstop their leaders the way they do with corrupt businesses people and cowboy builders.

That shuffling past reporters with a ‘No comment’ speaks volumes.

‘No debate’ has to be turned against them in the eyes of the public.

What is this tweet about? Is India claiming be be part of the RCoM?

twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1065439280443592710

I may be wrong, but I don't believe there is a Royal College of Medicine. Royal Society of Medicine, any number of Royal Colleges of specialist medical disciplines, but no Royal College of Medicine. Perhaps it was an attempt at sarcasm. I sincerely hope no Royal College has been desperate enough to ask IW to advise them on anything.

I think India is trying (badly) to make the point that this person is not qualified to comment.

But then India also believes that Stella O'Malley is not qualified either because she didn't transition.

Point India

I hope India hasn't had to get up early to be brave & stunning on TV this morning

Thank you Bittermints and Orchid I did think it was an odd statement, even from someone with a history of odd statements.

I think India is trying (badly) to make the point that this person is not qualified to comment.

Oh, the irony.

There is a Royal Society of Medicine and people in Alternative or Complementary Medicine often claim unusual qualifications or kudos from attending events there, speaking there, or being affiliated to an organisation that is affiliated to it.

www.rsm.ac.uk

www.channel4.com/4viewers/contact-us
Link for if you want to contact Channel 4 to praise them for the programme - might need to counteract the complaints they'll get from the TRAS.

I was looking for this thread last night

We have one on telly addicts too

I've just watched.
I think Debbie's wife deserved a medal (I know you might be reading this Debbie). Sending love out to all you trans widows.

I know Debbie is a GC ally, but her wife - you could tell this has almost broken her. Again, it's all about putting the man's feelings first so he can transition. What about her mental health?

I'm glad they showed so much of the TRAs who turned up at the Bristol meeting. "My pronouns are they." It was like a comedy sketch! You couldn't make it up! And the boy outside who said he wasn't a woman so wouldn't dare define what a woman was, but then went onto define what he thought a woman was ie a feeling in a man's head......

Face palm

for insight into TRAs see current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3430844-sound-recording-of-leeds-terf-wars-meeting

I just watched this.

I thought it was very good tbh

It showed quite well the young people all watching the you tube videos and setting out on a journey with no idea where they are going.

It worried me matt was upstairs on his lap top and just seemed so isolated and depressed. You really got the impression there was so much more to it and that altering your body wouldn't solve anything.

No one looked happy tbh. Well apart from cole. Very worrying that all his knowledge of what would happen came from the internet. What kind of Dr start a a treatment plan like this witg no set end goal. No information. It takes away informed co sent doesn't it?

The footage of the Bristol talk was shocking. I hope the nation has now seen a glimpse of the people behind all this. People who don't even have the courage to show their faves and we are supoosed to listen to them and respect them?

They did not explain or answer a thing I don't think they even know what they are campaigning for. Ckearly swept along in sone vigilante style group spouting what is so clearly nonsense.

If you are right why can't you prove it. Why won't you talk.

Stella seemed he homely scared for the future of the children and rightly so.

Genuinely scared

Phone froze sorry

I really wished though that there could be a truthful documentary that showed the reality that this is all being driven by people who have all had the privilege of growing up male. Had kids. Won awards. They have all had their lives as men and are all pushing for kids to be sterilized and mutilated.

Cole is a lovely young man. The difference in responses between FTM and MTF transgender viewers is very telling.

I noted that the popular YouTube transmen are all very good looking.

Just watched it. I thought it was very good. It was presented without bias or judgement.

Nothing about that documentary made me feel reassured. Yeah there might be some young people who benefit from transition but we don’t even know that yet, because all the health implications of these drugs haven’t been realised. Cole might be happy now but 10 years down the track who knows? Matt was clearly isolated and depressed, and in my extensive experience of depression and isolation there’s no quick fix, no single cause, but at the point of feeling desperate you’ll take any road out of it you can find, especially when you’re young and inexperienced. Also Matt is already on blockers, and they’re still deeply troubled, which suggests that blockers are not the solution to the problem. Where the fuck is the MH support? Where is the thorough investigation into why this child is so unhappy, especially as the prescribed treatment clearly isn’t working?

Honestly, watching Matt, then seeing those thugs in Bristol, and the utter shite being posted on twitter in response I do actually question the humanity of the people who are pushing for this. I’ve resisted til now to make judgements about these people, but fucking hell, they really are invested in doing as much harm to people as possible. They’re just evil, and all the evidence in the world is freely available to back that up.

I’ve think I’ve reached the point now where I’ve gone from worried and scared to just plain angry. How fucking dare they exploit and harm vulnerable kids. I probably would’ve been one of them if I was 25 years younger, and that thought horrifies and terrifies me to the core, right down beneath my conscious thoughts into the depths where I can’t even access or convey. It’s just horrific.

I am still reflecting on the programme and I feel that this was such an important documentary in that it seems like a turning point - especially after watching Cole's response video and how delighted Cole was with it.

The whole debate has been people with agendas, including people like me who absolutely take a feminist position and seek to fight back against what we believe is a branch of male supremacist activism. Someone like Cole or Stella O'Malley seem to have no agenda - they just want to speak openly about this very new phenomenon.
I think this might be the thing that really helps to swing it from being an issue only invested people discuss to something ordinary people want to talk about.

I hope so, LikeDust.

Thanks for contact details Drum. I've emailed C4

Transmen often seem to initially "pass" better than transwomen.