Watch live Government debate on self ID

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Hope this works. We should all be able to watch the Westminster hall self ID debate today at 9.30 am live.

Not sure if you can go back and watch it later...

Come on UK press, do your job.

Are people thanking David Davies for his good work?

What we need is a list of scenarios that could happen if self Id goes through eg @Datun above. This will cut through the nice language. The concern is not just that someone will commit assault, but that they will be there, maybe definitely creepy, maybe definitely watching women undress, but being trans means nothing can be done.
A trans woman who totally respects their women and does not leer or do anything can still make women feel vulnerable if she has a man’s body because I know I will be wondering if she is a danger. This is the sad thing about self Id.

the new policy at Sussex that trans politics etc can only be covered in a 'positive' light (and) emergency motion by Scottish Greens that trans exclusionary views (presumably meaning gender critical) are not welcome in the party

So there are nasty truths but it's illegal to mention them, is that right? Isn't North Korea good at this? Forcing people to line up, clap, smile and chant positive slogans? How do people this thick get into positions of power?

May is cautious and can't see her pushing something potentially so explosive on top of her day job.

Despite all the enthusiasm of the handmaidens, this person, if there is such a person, has to be a man surely?

And none of those ridiculous women will openly say what women should do who can't share space where a man is undressing. What the man calls himself, how he views himself is utterly irrelevant. Why should a sizable proportion of women in the population lose access to any public women's space so that a man has a choice and can feel 'included'?

Watching on catch up - Layla Moran is very good speaker (clearly I disagree with her) - I've not heard someone that articulate etc from that side. Worrying.

They don't need phones. Jonathan Yaniv wears google glasses. Creepy as creepy can be.

twitter.com/ovalegal/status/1064393537335250945?s=21

He's getting all those pictures of him cleared off twitter. (Takes screen grab).

This is certainly going to be very tin-hattery, but I see a big connection between changing the diagnosis of sexual dysphoria from a mental health condition to a physical one and the change to self-ID.

Mental health conditions are notoriously hard to treat and expensive and lock people into a life time of talking therapies. The NHS can't afford it.
A physical problem that affects lots of different people (not just those with dysphoria - with the umbrella now including lots of different conditions) means that pharmaceutical companies can get in on the act. it brings money into the picture.

I really think that the government supports this because they have "seen the money" and drugs and surgery is an industry - while one to one sessions with a therapist is not. The government can bring in self ID and wash their hands of people with dysphoria - passing them over to drugs companies.

Wow she really believes it all too doesn't she? As opposed to not really considered it at all (virtue signalling) which is more the impression I get with the others

Thank you David Davies for doing all this. I hope it this doesn't put him off pushing for us

Despite all the enthusiasm of the handmaidens, this person, if there is such a person, has to be a man surely?

You'd think, but it's not a certainty is it. Especially if she has the DUP in her ear.

Captainkirk - re DUP - that is a good point

If this had been discussed in the house as requested when the questions were raised - when the White rapes were in the news- it would have had to go very differently. Bercow has managed to tuck it away out of sight and control the debate. Which again goes to prove, there's a fuckton to hide and everyone knows it.

Most of all I wish some people would just demonstrate a grasp of common sense and understanding of truth and biology.
How exactly is a trans woman a woman?

I'm going to hold a seance and have a chat with Orwell and Huxley. I want to know what they think. Anyone know where I can find Madame Arcati? Who's coming?

Rememberatime - given it's the Tories I'm sure there's something in what you're saying - but, what about surgery costs - do you think they banking on few people taking it up?

if there is such a person, has to be a man surely?

And my money is on a man with multiple fetishes. Probably wears frilly knickers wedged into his sweaty arse crack under his smart suit.

OMG, what a kick in the teeth. I hope PP are right when they suggest MPs might be staying away to avoid attracting trouble, but will then vote it down when it comes to the crunch. I’m not holding out much hope though at this point.

We really are fucked aren’t we?

Sorry, feeling utterly dispirited and lacking hope atm.

Daily politics live now BBC2.

Oh gawd now I'm on the handwringing bit. See what the other posters meant. Right, will shut up now as I'm out of sync

We really are fucked aren’t we?

In a decade or two we will have clear consciences.
But yes it's been designed to go through since day one and it wasn't supposed to attract the publicity it has, the most we can ever do is open people eyes to what is happening.

If MPs aren't fussed about women's rights, I suppose that's their prerogative, but I think it's staggering that so many MPs aren't interested in a fundamental societal change that dismantles safeguarding and renders the language of safeguarding meaningless.
I suspect a lot of them aren't getting involved because they wrongly think that this is a minority issue that doesn't concern them. It's a massive failure of responsibility.

When we get a big spike in crimes by women everyone is going to pretend they don't know what caused it.

It's easy to see how certain events in history have happened isn't it.

I suspect a lot of them aren't getting involved because they wrongly think that this is a minority issue that doesn't concern them. It's a massive failure of responsibility.

Even the women taking part in the debate seem to think it's an issue which only affects transgender people. They're right that people need educating about this, but they need to start by educating themselves.