ESRC sending millions of pounds to Sally Hines / Leeds Uni to research gender bollocks

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There's £700k, for example, for 'Living Gender in Diverse Times'

This features a motley crew of gender cultists:

Helen [redacted] (credited only as 'Helen', and with the email adress of press@mermaids) (she's on twitter as @mimmymum and has an adoring audience of diaper fetishists & furries as she says how great puberty blockers)

Meg-John Barker (partner of Edward Lord, non-binary freemason & big-time TRA), previously featured here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3339137-BACP-Gender-Sexual-and-Relationship-Diversity-by-Dr-Meg-John-Barker

Anna Carlile - gender cultist lecturer at Goldsmiths and Mermaids advocate

Justin Hancock - is a double act with Meg-John Barker (above) megjohnandjustin.com/about-us/

Ruth Pearce - Leeds Uni gender cultist ruthpearce.net/

Emma Renold - professor of childhood studies, promotes transgender identity to children www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5932855/Transgender-muffin-challenge-young-people-reads-like-satire.html

Vanita Sundaram - intersectional feminist type, busy retweeting tweets from TW calling for Rachel Stock to be fired for transphobia twitter.com/VanitaSundaram

Liam Tielemans - works for some sort LGBT charity. Strangely, the emphasis seems to be on the T. www.lgbtconsortium.org.uk/node/3308

Strangely there does not seem to be any non-kool-aid drinkers among their number.

It's not really surprising this crap becomes law & public policy when there's a never-ending stream of cash, public (as here), semi-public (like BBC CiN), and private (Lloyds, etc.)

Follow the money.

nobody does a PhD for the money. There are much more efficient, less painful ways to get a good salary.

PhD in Uninpeachable Truths at the University of Nodebate sounds like something worth putting the hours in for.

Trollope would have had a field day with these everlasting synecures.

There are fashions involved in getting funding for research just as there are in getting grant money for charitable causes. It is no surprise to me that the causes that are popular in one area are mirrored in the other.

Oops, nerves being hit on this thread

Goldsmiths is like The Breach - increasingly large kaijū emerge at regular intervals, with ever increasing levels of Woke.

If you mean people are getting themselves educated and then gaining a level of consciousness about social injustice, and how they can make the world a better and more inclusive space, then I don't see what the problem is. What exactly is the problem with being 'woke'?

I can see the issue with people who think they're 'woke' but aren't really. But a genuine awakening of consciousness- what's to argue with?

For a functioning democracy we need voters who are politically aware and knowledgeable about what they're voting for.

Goldsmiths gets mentioned because it's Wokeistan Central, spanna. It's emblematic of the degradation of the liberal academy. We're just, you know, taking the piss. Unsure why you're fixating on a few off-the-cuff mentions of it when this thread is actually about Hines's work at Leeds.

Leeds (city rather than uni) seems to be a specific locus of institutional misogyny - so I suppose Hines's wokery fits in nicely.

I'm 'fixating' on it because it's a lazy sweeping statement which doesn't really say much, and it needs to be challenged.

You seem a bit personally invested in defending Goldsmiths Spanna. Do you work there? Student there?

How about challenging a mantra that has not one shred of fact to uphold it and, when questioned, responds with accusations of bigotry and complete negation of and refusal to debate?

Goldsmiths is well known in my field.

I am an academic and defend academic freedom. Yes, including people who are gender critical.

How about challenging a mantra that has not one shred of fact to uphold it and, when questioned, responds with accusations of bigotry and complete negation of and refusal to debate?

What mantra are you referring to?

If you mean the idea that trans and nonbinary people have a legitimate identity and a set of needs which feminists should be interested in supporting (because their very existence challenges sex and gender stereotypes), then I don't see that as a mantra.

There are lots of facts and evidence in lots of research, which I have posted links to in this forum.

I feel the need to call out bigotry when I see it.

I don't understand what you're referring to as being negated.

I do try to engage and debate but the hostility of this place doesn't lend itself to this.

I think this isn't really a debating kind of place- it's more like a club of likeminded people who just want to talk and chat rather than actually engage with alternative viewpoints.

Goldsmiths is well known in my field.

I think the word you are looking for is ‘notorious’.

If you’re an academic, why are you so approving of how research councils operate? Every academic knows what a giant game the whole thing is, with a good dose of randomness and luck thrown in.

yes, notorious. For its work in my field. Notoriously interesting, challenging, edgy, groundbreaking, active.

They'll need a fucking big mirror to find those pregnant men. And a telescope.

spanna I'm talking about '#transwomen are women #nodebate'.

'#transwomen are women' is a mantra. Sex is immutable, we can't change it and transwomen aren't women. '#nodebate' is complete refusal to debate. Attempts to do so are met with denouncement of the objectors as bigots.

Trans and non-binary people are, of course, real people but we really can't change sex.

I’ve worked on some research projects funded by the EU, and if you had the “right” voices in your project, the funding could be extraordinarily generous. Mine was a international project involving several countries, but the lead agency was British.

Do you think Brexit will impact on the project funding, once Britain is no longer a member of the EU?

It already is, despite the fact that the ESRC is not strictly part of negotiations. Some universities in other European countries are already choosing not to work with UK universities because funding and staffing streams are potentially vunerable.

Carefully sidestepping the talented Professor Hines parroting 'transwomen are women' like a little woke automaton I see Spannablue

I think if academics in this field want people not to just dismiss them as woke numbskulls they could make a good start by not expecting people to believe statements that are patently untrue.

being able to define their terms would also be nice

if all you've got is 'you lot are so mean', it's possible that your arguments don't stand up to intellectual rigour

and another thing on intellectual dishonesty

why can the woketopian establishment clearly see that single sex toilets are important in the third world ( too often they are built co-joined with male toilets, raising the risk of “peeping Toms.” ) but don't aknowlege their importance here?

frankly it smacks of racism to me. I think they think nice british men are far more kind and reliable than those foreign types

or else (also possible), they just don't think it through at all

If you mean the idea that trans and nonbinary people have a legitimate identity and a set of needs which feminists should be interested in supporting (because their very existence challenges sex and gender stereotypes), then I don't see that as a mantra.

Could you point me to where someone on Mumsnet has disagreed with this statement? I, for one, completely agree with this statement. What I disagree with is that current ideology seems to dictate that a small group of activists have decided they and only they are the ones who get to decide what that legitimate identity is and how it impacts on others and anyone who objects is a TERF.

it's a lazy sweeping statement which doesn't really say much, and it needs to be challenged

What, like 'transwomen are women', which is both sweeping and generally bollocks?

Sorry spanna but trans and non binary identities don't challenge sexist stereotypes. They reinforce them.

because their very existence challenges sex and gender stereotypes

As you know perfectly well, while the GC feminist position is to support such individuals (but not as women) it performs a class analysis that argues transgender ideology reifies sex and gender stereotypes.

So. Why are there no £1m+ grants investigating this view? Again, as you know perfectly well, transgender ideology achieves the social engineering neoliberal capitalism is very happy with.

Thanks for saying you're an academic of this capitalism-friendly ilk. I understand your vested interest much better now.