ESRC sending millions of pounds to Sally Hines / Leeds Uni to research gender bollocks

[QuietContraryMary]

Ht (twitter.com/DaveDavidDave_/status/1064836550448619522)

There's £700k, for example, for 'Living Gender in Diverse Times'

This features a motley crew of gender cultists:

Helen [redacted] (credited only as 'Helen', and with the email adress of press@mermaids) (she's on twitter as @mimmymum and has an adoring audience of diaper fetishists & furries as she says how great puberty blockers)

Meg-John Barker (partner of Edward Lord, non-binary freemason & big-time TRA), previously featured here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3339137-BACP-Gender-Sexual-and-Relationship-Diversity-by-Dr-Meg-John-Barker

Anna Carlile - gender cultist lecturer at Goldsmiths and Mermaids advocate

Justin Hancock - is a double act with Meg-John Barker (above) megjohnandjustin.com/about-us/

Ruth Pearce - Leeds Uni gender cultist ruthpearce.net/

Emma Renold - professor of childhood studies, promotes transgender identity to children www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5932855/Transgender-muffin-challenge-young-people-reads-like-satire.html

Vanita Sundaram - intersectional feminist type, busy retweeting tweets from TW calling for Rachel Stock to be fired for transphobia twitter.com/VanitaSundaram

Liam Tielemans - works for some sort LGBT charity. Strangely, the emphasis seems to be on the T. www.lgbtconsortium.org.uk/node/3308

Strangely there does not seem to be any non-kool-aid drinkers among their number.

It's not really surprising this crap becomes law & public policy when there's a never-ending stream of cash, public (as here), semi-public (like BBC CiN), and private (Lloyds, etc.)

Follow the money.

[R0wantrees]

There is a lot that Professor Hines, just as Professor Alex Sharpe, has posted on social media recently that should be considered by their universities.

[R0wantrees]

see also Natacha Kennedy (lecturer at Goldsmiths University)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3359116-The-Times-smear-campaign-by-trans-lecturer-at-Goldsmiths

[ProfessoressWoland]

I think she'll laugh this comment off as a joke and a 'gotcha'.

Undoubtedly, but it won't make her look any less unprofessional.

[howlsmovingcastle84]

Guidance from Leeds uni on how to conduct Internet based research:

Internet based research

What is meant by internet research?

If you intend to obtain research data from any of the following you will need to consider any data proction, data security and other ethical issues.

online forums
chat rooms
social media sites
email
webpages
video exchange sites
gaming sites
image sharing sites

If you are planning to carry out internet research then you need to read the Association of Internet Researchers' Ethics Guide and on your ethics approval application form, you need to address the specific internet ethics issues that apply to your research.

Things to think about

The differences between internet data and research data
What is public/ private?
Just because material is publicly available does that mean it's ok to use it for research purposes?
Think about things from the participants point of view, how would you feel if you were in their shoes?
How do you want to use the material?
Obtaining informed consent; practicalities, timing, how to obtain it
Covert research, there needs to be a good reason for carrying out covert research
Does the researcher need to be anonymous?
Anonymising participants, any limits to anonymity?
What do you know about the participants? Eg might they be vulnerable/ at risk in any way?
Possible benefits of the research
Terms and conditions/ ethical expectations of the venue
Complying with legal requirements, eg concerning data protection
Cultural differences.

Extract from the British Criminology Society's Statement of Ethics 2015:

"When conducting research via the Internet or via new e-technologies, be aware of the particular ethical dilemmas that may arise when engaging in these mediums. Information provided in e-social science, e-mails, web pages, social media sites, cyber-forums and various forms of 'instant messaging' that are intentionally public may be 'in the public domain', but the public nature of any communication or information on the Internet should always be critically examined and the identity of individuals protected unless it is a salient aspect of the research. Researchers should not only be aware of the relevant areas of law in the jurisdictions that they cover but they should also be aware of the rules of conduct of their Internet Service Provider (including JANET - Joint Academic Network). When conducting Internet research, the researcher should be aware of the boundaries between public and private domains, the legal and cultural differences across jurisdictions and data security when using cloud computing or commercial survey sites. Where research might prejudice the legitimate rights of respondents, researchers should obtain informed consent from them, honour assurances of confidentiality, and ensure the security of data transmission. They should exercise particular care and consideration when engaging with children and vulnerable people in Internet research."

Wonder if all the above has been considered by this research....

[whatsthecomingoverthehill]

Whether there is any research or not, what is clear is that Sally is very keen on trying to intimidate women.

[nauticant]

Hines is a gobshite. The question that the university would need to look at is whether they want one of their gender studies professors posting misogynistic and homophobic stuff on twitter to troll a particular group of women.

Obviously the university should be having a word but Hines can retreat into her "discipline" and assume she'll thus be untouchable.

[nauticant]

Bah, I spend too long on my words and whatsthecomingoverthehill sums it up in a short sentence.

[LangCleg]

But when you are an academic and conduct research, you are not in a position to joke about conducting research and misusing people's data. I would be gob snacked if the university ethics committee thinks this is ok

This. It's not ok. I second the recommendation that anybody who has interacted with Hines on Twitter sends an email to the address above and withdraws consent for their interactions to be used in research or the course of any of Hines's work for the university.

[TheCountessofFitzdotterel]

Gosh.
Trolling twitter by posting homophobic stuff about whether or not a certain group of women is 'shagable' in order to use the responses for research is not ethical by any means.
Joking about doing this if you are actually a prof doing research in that general subject area is seriously ill judged.

[MoltenLasagne]

If I were publically linked to my work and posted this shit I'd be unemployed before I could say "internalised misogyny". Does Leeds Uni not have behaviour standards that they expect professors to stick to?

[ReflectentMonatomism]

If you are planning to carry out internet research then you need to read the Association of Internet Researchers' Ethics Guide and on your ethics approval application form

I wonder if an ethics approval form for work funded by a government research council is subject to (a) the Freedom of Information Act or (b) potential, even if not actual, subjects of the research?

[nauticant]

Does Leeds Uni not have behaviour standards that they expect professors to stick to?

Hines is a professor of gender identity and knows that the university knows that any attempt to sanction her can be painted as "enabling transphobia". In the current climate, that would be a very powerful disincentive for any university.

[nauticant]

The bantz defence:

twitter.com/sally_hines/status/1086215529222889472

[whatsthecomingoverthehill]

In general I'm against sanctioning of academics anyway. I think academic freedom is vital. It would be nice if TRAs took the same attitude and didn't try and shut down any academics who don't tow the line.

[OldCrone]

I wonder if an ethics approval form for work funded by a government research council is subject to (a) the Freedom of Information Act

You can FOI the grant application if you know some of the details about the research. This request was successful and gives details of ethical issues.

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/centre_for_economic_performance#incoming-1283605

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/527623/response/1283605/attach/4/Application%20ESM0103411.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

[R0wantrees]

Hadley Freeman Twitter response to Professor Sally Hines

[VickyEadie]

Sally Hines' recent behaviour on Twitter - as summarised nicely by Hadley Freeman - is so stereotypically male misogynist behaviour it's almost like she's trolling herself.

[TheCountessofFitzdotterel]

'In general I'm against sanctioning of academics anyway. I think academic freedom is vital. It would be nice if TRAs took the same attitude and didn't try and shut down any academics who don't tow the line.'

I am against sacking for wrongthink, but I think it would be good for everyone including her if someone took Sally Hines aside and had a word about not tweeting while, um, appearing drunk.

Apart from anything else it sets a terrible example to students if professors behave like that, and the average Leeds student in whatever discipline is not going to end up in a job where you can get away with so much.

[nauticant]

Being abusive on twitter isn't synonymous with academic freedom.

Is this the start of the weekend invasion of FWR by complete dicks?

[howlsmovingcastle84]

Academic freedom doesn't give you the right to ignore research ethics.

[R0wantrees]

This is a small aspect of a much wider and really important issue with how some TRAs in academia are being held to completely different standards whilst also using their positions to contribute to the silencing of others who are asking questions.

(as has been said previously on thread, speculation about anyone's use of alcohol is not helpful in many ways)

[whatsthecomingoverthehill]

Thanks for that nauticant... I think Sally is a complete twonk. And if she has done any ethically dubious research then obviously the university should step in. But I don't like the idea of running off to people's employers on the back of spats on twitter. It's the same modus operandi that the TRAs use.

But anyway, apparently Sally thinks GC people are obsessed with gender deception. I wasn't aware of that...

[VickyEadie]

Sally reminds me of kids at school who constantly bicker and resort to "Anyway, what about..." diversionary arguments.

[BernardBlacksWineIcelolly]

I know what you mean about running off to people's employers. I don't want Professor Hines to be fired. I just want her to stop using her position at the University of Leeds to attempt to intimidate people on Twitter.

[LangCleg]

I realise that Sally is the gift that keeps on giving but can we not forget Alex Sharpe in all this, pretty please?