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ESRC sending millions of pounds to Sally Hines / Leeds Uni to research gender bollocks

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QuietContraryMary · 20/11/2018 15:03

Ht (twitter.com/DaveDavidDave_/status/1064836550448619522)

There's £700k, for example, for 'Living Gender in Diverse Times'

This features a motley crew of gender cultists:

Helen [redacted] (credited only as 'Helen', and with the email adress of press@mermaids) (she's on twitter as @mimmymum and has an adoring audience of diaper fetishists & furries as she says how great puberty blockers)

Meg-John Barker (partner of Edward Lord, non-binary freemason & big-time TRA), previously featured here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3339137-BACP-Gender-Sexual-and-Relationship-Diversity-by-Dr-Meg-John-Barker

Anna Carlile - gender cultist lecturer at Goldsmiths and Mermaids advocate

Justin Hancock - is a double act with Meg-John Barker (above) megjohnandjustin.com/about-us/

Ruth Pearce - Leeds Uni gender cultist ruthpearce.net/

Emma Renold - professor of childhood studies, promotes transgender identity to children www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5932855/Transgender-muffin-challenge-young-people-reads-like-satire.html

Vanita Sundaram - intersectional feminist type, busy retweeting tweets from TW calling for Rachel Stock to be fired for transphobia twitter.com/VanitaSundaram

Liam Tielemans - works for some sort LGBT charity. Strangely, the emphasis seems to be on the T. www.lgbtconsortium.org.uk/node/3308

Strangely there does not seem to be any non-kool-aid drinkers among their number.

It's not really surprising this crap becomes law & public policy when there's a never-ending stream of cash, public (as here), semi-public (like BBC CiN), and private (Lloyds, etc.)

Follow the money.

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JamieAndPukka · 20/11/2018 15:55

Autistic children are being abused for this lot to fund a career, mortgage and pension pot? Oh please James Kirkup or someone else write about it!

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QuietContraryMary · 20/11/2018 15:56

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breastfeedingclownfish · 20/11/2018 15:57

Is this the one big group of people lobbying for funding and then paying themselves for research?

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QuietContraryMary · 20/11/2018 16:08

Apparently the Living Gender in Diverse Times is to research why people aged 16-24 believe so strongly in gender bollocks, sorry I mean "explores young people’s (16-24 year olds) understandings, experiences and practices of gender in contemporary UK".

Any connection between this experience and taxpayer-funded jobs as a research assistant for a 16-24 year old to research this nonsense is purely coincidental.

Here's a bit on Damien Riggs, whose salary in Australia (!) as best I can read is being part-paid by the ESRC to research pregnant men.

4thwavenow.com/2018/03/05/whos-gaslighting-whom-susan-bradley-pediatric-dysphoria-expert-weighs-in/

His Twitter feed:

twitter.com/DrDamienRiggs

is just a massive circle jerk of people getting paid public funds in various countries to 'peer review' people getting paid public funds in other countries to put out stuff about 'genderqueer feminism', videos about trans children, and so on.

Oh and of course Dr. D is also an advocate for commercial surrogacy. theconversation.com/commercial-surrogacy-in-australia-rethinking-notions-of-natural-31423 He gets public cash (Australian) to research 'gay men's experiences of surrogacy clinics in India'.

All this stuff, gender bollocks, womb sale, prostitution advoacy, it's all heavily funded and the people are often one & the same.

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QuietContraryMary · 20/11/2018 16:08

Oh and porn, obviously.

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littlbrowndog · 20/11/2018 16:15

But if the trans men are pregnant aren’t they the same as pregnant women anyroads
Why special research ?

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TheMinorityEngineer · 20/11/2018 16:29

Does this ESRC have a MORAL COMPASS or some sort of ETHICS framework?

Can someone please please write to them.

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spannablue · 20/11/2018 16:33

So you don't want theses topics to be researched? You just want people to make statements about stuff without gathering evidence?

'Gender' research isn't just about trans people. It's about looking at and deconstructing the stereotypes that constrict our daughters and prevent them from playing football or doing maths A level.

Sociologists have a job. That job is to hold a mirror up to the world. While everyone is rushing around, sociologists have the time and the space and the responsibility to watch, to listen, to collate and to analyse. It's sociologists who are picking holes in the Universal Credit system; who gathered the data which ushered in the Sex Discrimination Act; who deconstruct institutional racism in schools and who develop training for the police around better working with Traveller, Gypsy and Roma people.

Who gets the funding and who doesn't? Well, it involves a massive blind-peer-reviewed filtering process. You have to have lots of experience looking into these areas- not just have an opinion. 'Being gender critical' isn't enough. You have to back up your opinion with evidence that's published and peer reviewed.

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spannablue · 20/11/2018 16:34
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Almondcandle · 20/11/2018 16:38

And a sociologist would know that who gets research funding and why is highly political.

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Almondcandle · 20/11/2018 16:38

And worthy of critique.

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HomeStar · 20/11/2018 16:39

How many “pregnant men” have there even been? They must be getting about 50K per research subject.

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Almondcandle · 20/11/2018 16:42

It would bring a great deal of fairness to participatory research if they just have each of the subjects 50 grand.

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OvaHere · 20/11/2018 16:43

It's about looking at and deconstructing the stereotypes that constrict our daughters and prevent them from playing football

You know what's a fast track towards preventing them playing football (or any other sport)? Making them play against boys who identify as girls and having to share the same changing spaces and showers afterwards.

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LangCleg · 20/11/2018 16:44

That job is to hold a mirror up to the world.

Could we not have some grants to do that then? Because Sally has nothing of use whatsoever to contribute to a public understanding of itself or to the formation of sensible public policy focused on harms reduction. As we all heard on Woman's Hour yesterday.

It's just the merry-go-round of a neoliberal academy passing money around a chumocracy of elites to spend time gazing at their self-regarding navels. If it was, say, confined to Wokeistan Central at Goldsmiths, that would be one thing. But it's everywhere. And useful public policy is a desert because of this extreme narcissism.

And I say this as someone who actually does think sociology could have something of use to offer.

I'm going back to reading about ultra realist criminology. Far more interesting than Sally's shrill classism.

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spannablue · 20/11/2018 16:45

the ESRC is a public body, funded by democratically elected governments.

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QuietContraryMary · 20/11/2018 16:45

So there's £32.5k/year being paid to two Research Fellows from the Diverse Times funding.

jobs.leeds.ac.uk/Upload/vacancies/files/10352/ESLSS1035%20RF.pdf

Directly appointed by Sally Hines. International travel included.

As I understand it, the existing staff's salaries are funded 80%, and the fixed-term are paid 100% by the ESRC.

So £120k (more with NI?) or so just for that.

What it means, also, is some sort of career for a student of gender bollocks. Because if you study gender bollocks, then become a research assistant, professor of gender bollocks, you're never really going to stop your devotion to gender bollocks.

Here's the research fellows' Twitter:

twitter.com/LivingGender/following

they are following a monoculture of gender cultists, obvs. (including the LGBT 420 society). No critical voices at all out of 708 accounts they are following for their so-called research.

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Almondcandle · 20/11/2018 16:50

People do early research in a topic only to later reject the ideology and change direction all the time in academia.

Anyway, feminism will always be a grass roots movement.

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QuietContraryMary · 20/11/2018 16:56

So this charmer is being paid £32.5k by the ESRC to tweet about 'the endless TERF violence'

twitter.com/karencuthbert/status/994276600375103488

I think, spannablue, I would prefer it if these these people tweeted their garbage without my taxes going to fund it, thanks all the same.

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Thingybob · 20/11/2018 16:58

The pregnant men thing has to be international as there are so few, I think I read that there were only about 40 in the year they were studying.

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SolidarityGdansk · 20/11/2018 17:24

So 40 in the whole world globally and we have to change the language to describe pregnancy and breat feeding for these 40 individuals?

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Bittermints · 20/11/2018 17:28

Women and babies are still dying in childbirth. Miscarriage is not well understood. Endometriosis is a mysterious condition which blights the lives of huge numbers of women. Period pain ditto. At a time when public spending is hugely stretched, I'd rather research was focused on medical research or sociological research on something more useful, like why social mobility is going backwards, or what could be done to make masculinity less toxic.

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LaundryLaundryLaundry · 20/11/2018 17:43

Yes to holding a mirror up, but they should also recognise that their mirror has a tint that colours their perceptions and therefore accept being open to other critical and conflicting viewpoints. Are they analysing their "results" within the context of their subjective view point, aware of their own biases and prejudices? Are they supportive of other academics wanting to research a view that challenges theirs? If not, why not?

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Bowlofbabelfish · 20/11/2018 17:47

'Gender' research isn't just about trans people. It's about looking at and deconstructing the stereotypes that constrict our daughters and prevent them from playing football or doing maths A level.

Here’s an idea. It’s radical, bear with me.

  1. We stop enforcing rigid shitty gender stereotypes in children and tell them that girls can indeed play football
  2. We stop telling girls who like football and have short hair that they must be boys
  3. We let girls play football againstvother girls, not bevthrashed and potentially injured by men.


I know. It crazy isn’t it.
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Bowlofbabelfish · 20/11/2018 17:49

And of course I want research.

Proper research, not research where the end outcome is already set.

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