Harassment of children in legal red light zone in Holbeck

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I’ve just read an article posted in a feminist group I’m part of on FB. It’s a Daily Mail article, detailing the harassment of young children in Holbeck where the legal red light zone is. Men offering parents money to rape their children. Most shockingly, a grandmother pushing a buggy with a four month old baby was offered money for an hour alone with the baby.

I can’t get the article out of my head. I don’t live a million miles away (thankfully not close) and it makes the these depraved men seem so much more real. I can’t understand how anyone could defend this legal zone - there has been a murder, rapes, sexual assault and it sounds like a free for all for all kinds of terrible men with monstrous appetites. And neither the council nor the police seem willing to help or even acknowledge the festering horror they have created, or allowed to exist openly. Somehow they have empowered these sick, twisted fuckers to feel able to ask to rape children in broad daylight; so pornsick and warped that they imagine this to be reasonable or likely or simply get a thrill from the violation of frightening and upsetting women and children by voicing their hideous thoughts. What is happening and why is no one acting to stop it?

surely if the situation is as bad as the daily fail says it is then more credible sources would be easy to find?

Reality check alert! You really don't have any idea what goes on in most working class areas, do you? I lived there for 5 years and yes it was as bad as the Fail's article (and that was pre-managed zone). I have friends living there still and it's horrendous. But it's a working class area and therefore most people don't give a shit.

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Here's a few more sources

saveoureyes.co.uk/blog-news/

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/our-children-are-forced-to-step-over-condoms-and-needles-in-leeds-holbeck-s-managed-zone-1-9273481

southleedslife.com/holbeck-sex-zone-in-the-spotlight-again/

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/25/teacher-living-next-legal-red-light-district-raped-man-believed/

saveoureyes.co.uk/blog-news/

southleedslife.com/holbeck-sex-zone-in-the-spotlight-again/

Read all the press, listen to stories from locals. seek the truth.

What makes you think we don't?

I have subs for the Times and Telegraph as well as reading the Guardian, to get a spread of opinions. I lived "oop north" for a long, long time (grew up there) and I do know Holbeck. I have read blogs written by local people who live there, by women who work with the women in prostitution in the area.

And the bottom line is however you look at it, this is state-sanctioned violence against women to which the police turn a blind eye, abuse of women on an industrial scale.

There is no way of making this look good.

Nobody "wishes to do sex work".
Sex work. FFS.
I have known lots of "sex workers".
Not a single one was NOT abused in some way (but usually sexually) as a child.
The VAST MAJORITY of prostitutes working the streets started when they were under 18. Many started at 12, 13, 14.
Most are so far into co dependent relationships with very bad men, and drugs, they will never get out if the hole they are in.
Prostitution is a continuation of abuse.
It just is.
You can't sanitise it. Calling it Sex Work and implying it's a free choice is colluding in this human rights travesty.
And the state explicitly sanctioning the sale of females is utterly immoral.
Prostitutes don't need free condoms and accountants. They dont need the state rurning a blind eye and giving them leaflets for clap clinics. They need better lives, other opportunities and away from shit holes like Holbeck.

The WYP are far too busy interviewing feminists under caution to do any other work, surely?

Earlywalker when you post the shite you post I picture you typing in your bedroom in your parents big house.
Sorry, but only a nice well fed person who has never experienced true hopelessness or deprivation would assume the nonsense you do about women who despise the state sanctioning of selling women's bodies. No women I know (of any race) think prostitution is a valid career choice.
I think Lang nailed it really:
It never ceases to amaze me, the extent to which Woke Intersectionality™ is prepared to throw working class women under every bus that goes past.
Yup.

Read all the press, listen to stories from locals. seek the truth.

fermats that was directed at the snooty "oh I can't possibly believe it if it's in the Daily Mail" poster not the rest of you!

The daily mail is no more reputable than the guardian

Or even The Guardian is no more reputable than The Daily Mail.

The Graun isn't interested in it, because it requires a viewpoint that prostitution is harmful - to the women being prostituted, to other women generally, to the local area where the prostitution takes place.

The Graun is very much committed to the editorial view that believing any of the above makes you a SWERF. One of the many reasons why I won't donate to their readership campaign. The protestations that they are free from editorial interference and unbiased is laughable.

IfNotNowBernard
Please tell me quote for quote exactly what I posted that makes you think that? I’ve said in areas for those in poverty it is seen as a career choice; I never said it was acceptable that’s the case. Helena then came on to post about UC which said exactly what I did, that those in poverty do turn to it.
I said it’s safer for girls to work in a legally controlled environment then on the streets.
I’ve said I support men being criminalised but not the woman. It’s safer for them for it to be legal.

So please do tell me what I’ve said that makes you think you can be so rude?

Nah. I cba to c +p but I do think it's racist and classist when people turn up here to lecture fwr and assume that only "white middle class" people could possibly post here because obviously they are the only ones with informed and articulate opinions. Because you give yourself away by thinking that, and you're not the first.
And poor women don't think it's a career choice ffs! It's when they feel they have NO CHOICE.I think that's what Helena was probably getting at.

Cba to C+P because you got it wrong.
I’ll do it for you:
On why I apparently said it’s a valid career choice:

Imagine you’re from a place where no one does anything, you didn’t bother going to school and have no qualifications - perhaps you have children to feed. You could either work in a shop or similar (if you can get employed) earning £7.50 an hour, go on benefits and get £60 odd a week or work as a prostitute earning £££’s per day. My point being If someone chooses the latter option, there should be provisions in place to make it safe for her, criminalising something just puts it all in the hands of criminals.

On why I should think it should de decriminalised:
For these girls, knowing they will not be criminalised for reporting trafficking/assault means they can speak up more, this will mean that statistics increase - of course, but it will also make them safer.
it is better for them to be in a safe environment

On my white mc comment. Very egotistical that you thought MNers were the ones who make the laws! :

Also I wasn’t talking about mn’ers I was talking about politicians (the people who actually make decisions) but if the shoe fits, feel free to wear it

On the Nordic model:

Yes I’d definitely support the Nordic Model, as long as it meant that prostitutes still had a safe place to work. I never said men shouldn’t be criminalised, you’ve all just read what you wanted to read.

So either tel me what your problem is, or keep your rude opinions to yourself. I hadn’t posted on this thread for 3 days. I’m not your scapegoat for the feminist boards. Alright?

Thank you for sharing Cllr Sarah Field's speech, really powerful speech.

I am, somehow, shocked that no Labour counsellors supported it. How can they justify that?

For these girls, knowing they will not be criminalised for reporting trafficking/assault means they can speak up more, this will mean that statistics increase - of course, but it will also make them safer.
it is better for them to be in a safe environment

But that hasn't been the case in Holbeck. In fact, the opposite is true. Prostitutes (and other women and children) are being raped and assaulted and reporting it to the police and nothing is happening. Similar seems to be the case in other countries, eg Germany, where it is no longer criminalised. So we'd have to conclude that it doesn't keep them safe.

Yes I’d definitely support the Nordic Model, as long as it meant that prostitutes still had a safe place to work. I never said men shouldn’t be criminalised, you’ve all just read what you wanted to read.

I don't understand why you think that it's better to make prostitutes "safe", rather than have no prostitutes at all because there is an adequate social care and welfare system?

Because men have needs Sonic, men have needs.
Yy Cllr Fields is awesome. Brave woman too, considering the abuse she's gonna take now.

For these girls, knowing they will not be criminalised for reporting trafficking/assault means they can speak up more

Being a prostitute is not illegal. This makes no sense. A prostitute reporting this is no more s criminal than I. In any case reporting anything in the so called legal zone in Holbeck is a waste of time.

Please stop referring to "girls". It is patronising to the women you are referring to unless you are actually intending to refer to girls under 16- in which case your posts are deeply creepy.

But that hasn't been the case in Holbeck
Yes I don’t agree with how it’s been done in Holbeck at all! As I’ve said if it’s decriminalised there needs to be better policing and policy’s in place and safe places.

Feminists are the ones that came up with the Nordic Model. I agree there should be better provisions in place to stop people turning to prostitution but while that’s not the case unless you’re in a middle class bubble, I think we should be trying to make it safer for them.

Prostitutes are treated like criminals by the authoroties.

I’m not getting into it again, this is not about me. I just wanted to address the ridiculous post to me and ask them to each back up what they were saying or admit they were wrong, instead they’ve done the usual ‘you just care about men!’ When I’ve specifically said to criminalise men.

Ridiculous.

A very good Mail article
dailym.ai/2Q2JuBz

Well, according to the article, the councillor who helped to set up the scheme admits it has failed.

That article in the Mail is very powerful.
Women, children and families are the collateral in the sex / porn advocates desperation for their needs to be met aren't they? And of course in a place like Leeds where women and children's rights and needs are at the bottom of the local council's priorities, this is what you get. Awful.

This is going to be featured on Jeremy Vine today.

His Radio show or the television programme?

Tv. If you watch on +1 from about 20 past you should get it. I've found a novelist I'm never buying from - idiot. Very clear where Jeremy comes down and I don't think the woman will be featuring again!