Great blog about being a trans inclusive feminist

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Here: alicenuttallbooks.wordpress.com/2018/11/04/why-i-am-a-trans-inclusive-feminist/

Enjoy!

Under self I'd- as we keep saying - any man can enter women's spaces, however they look or present.

MEN are a danger to women and we cannot fillet out which ones are not. The vast majority of women do not want men - however they look or present or call themselves- in the spaces where we expect only women's bodies.

THAT is the issue.

Weren’t we reading data the other day that said one in twenty men has a paedophilic bent?

SO you believe there should not be sex based rights because some women are sex offenders, but there should be gender based rights because not all transwoemn are sex offender?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2009/oct/04/uk-female-child-sex-offenders

I think the majority of trans people do avoid gyms and changing room facilities. My friend who is a transman, despite having had all surgery and completely Male in appearance now, will still not entertain the idea of getting changed in an open plan changing room - he uses the private room at the gym. I’m assuming that is partly why there is no reported offenders of ‘penis’ in woman’s changing rooms’ by trans people.

You're not even allowed to ask if this one is a special, feminine dick, because that would be intrusive.

Interesting to contemplate who is expected to tolerate things that are intrusive and who is not.

So you are really going with 'There's always a possibility of being attacked anyway, so for the sake of a few male bodied people's sense of validation and inclusion, let's just hope for the best'?

"Hope for the best but plan for the worst"

Let's discuss this concept in relation to safeguarding, shall we?

64k from here:

www.theguardian.com/society/2009/oct/04/uk-female-child-sex-offenders

As you can see, not solid numbers and click bait in the wake of a prominent case.

Going by people who contact it, a charity think there are at least 10x the number of sex offenders than the current sex offender register contains (32k) and that women might make up anywhere from 5-20% of them.

Denying all transpeople access to any space does not prevent all bad people being in your spaces

This is an argument for unisex spaces, and it’s absolutely fair to make that case. However as a trans person does not necessarily have a GRC, there is no argument on any basis that this would be a single sex space.

Again, I think perhaps there is some talking at cross purposes because you are talking about a world where there is no self ID, men with a GRC have had reconstructive surgery on their genitals and there is no campaign to convince organisations to effectively adopt GRC ahead of changes in legislation.

(You will remember that the sex offenders register doesn't just include child sex offenders. The figures there are entirely made up. Most recent estimate from the National Crime Agency: there are 80k people attempting to groom children online, almost all of whom are men.)

If you think the majority of trans people would prefer private spaces then why spend hours of your time telling everyone else that they don’t need private spaces from others of the opposite sex because it’s not inclusive. Would your friend prefer private spaces or being re-educated by facts and statistics to say namalt and he’s just being silly and a ‘victim’ if he feels he can’t share with people of any sex because he feels unsafe or undignified?

Male in appearance now, will still not entertain the idea of getting changed in an open plan changing room

So their desire for privacy is accommodated?

What about mine? Mine isn’t? Why not?

You don’t see any problem with that?

The ‘more likely to be changing next to a female offender’ is laughable.

I dont don’t why you’re worried about grey squirrels! You’re literally a hundred times more likely to see a red squirrel! Bigot! (While stood in red squirrel reserve.)

It’s not OK to have men in women’s change rooms. That’s it. That’s what it boils down to. Men are bigger, stronger, they have cocks and they use them to rape women and girls. So they don’t come into areas where women are vulnerable.

No ifs or buts or whatabout if we’s. Just no. No, no,no. I dont care if men are offended or upset by it. The answer is no. Stay out. All of you.

The problem with unisex spaces is that almost nobody wants them. Even most trans people don't want them, they want sex segregated spaces with exceptions made for them.

This is interesting re men being imprisoned more than women

mhrm.uk/wiki/analysis-of-gender-bias-in-sentencing-data/

Once again not as clear cut as a newspaper article would suggest

Personally ill go with the MOJ info

Would be awesome if someone clever could look at it, i know what i think its saying...but ive no idea how to say it

My friend who is a transman, despite having had all surgery and completely Male in appearance now, will still not entertain the idea of getting changed in an open plan changing room - he uses the private room at the gym.

So not really helped by all the ‘nothing to see here’ how dare you claim that different people have different needs ‘inclusivity’ campaigners then.

Assuming that your friend could access special services - a trans only swimming night? - I could argue that I was being excluded.

But that isn’t what inclusivity is about. I am included because I can go swimming. I am not excluded because I don’t qualify for a particular swimming session.

The problem with unisex spaces is that almost nobody wants them. Even most trans people don't want them, they want sex segregated spaces with exceptions made for them.

And this is where the hypocrisy is instantly exposed.

A transwoman in a female space makes it mixed sex.

But they want it confined to just them. So they are the only people who can make it mixed sex. It's all about validation for some or getting off on it for others.

And none of it's about women.

The problem with unisex spaces is that almost nobody wants them.

Obviously most of the time we are in unisex spaces, but I don’t think that is what you mean!

I really like family changing areas, and would much prefer them to sending opposite sex children to change on their own. For the same reason I would like more unisex toilets.

However I think there should also be single sex provision.

If I protested my lack of inclusion in the local gay club's Bear Night people would think I was being a self centered idiot, and they'd be right. I am not banned from all clubs, it's just that that particular even is not aimed at people like me. If I was to petulantly proclaim my right to attend anyway, in spite of being small, female, and not very hairy, I would quite rightly be laughed at.

When women laugh at male humans they sometimes punch us in retaliation, so we learn not to laugh at them, at least not too openly. If the male humans think that means we're not thinking they're behaving like tantruming toddlers, however, they are sadly mistaken.

I think a combination of single sex spaces with some family changing areas would be ideal.

(Obviously the supermarket, the pub, etc are unisex spaces! The pub loos though, no.)

You're clutching at straws, Early, and I think you know it.

She either does, or she's in deep denial.

No ifs or buts or whatabout if we’s. Just no. No, no,no. I dont care if men are offended or upset by it. The answer is no. Stay out. All of you.

This.

I think more unisex provision would be good for everyone. Changing facilities are often in the woman’s, DPs had to change the baby in the car before as changing facilities in the woman’s, he also stupidly sent DD into the woman’s on her own when she was only little as didn’t want her to be taken into the men’s (that was a killer argument when I found out though) likewise swimming pools, my ds is only little but I don’t think I’d feel comfortable sending him into the men’s alone once he hits 7 either. So yes I do think more unisex provision is needed.

I also don’t like open plan changing in general, I think a lot of woman aren’t comfortable getting themselves or their children naked in front of a room of strangers - careless of if they have a vagina or not. I’ve always gone into the private rooms at the spa and gym (which is the only place I’ve noticed them. All our swimming pools are mixed with cubicals)

I think a lot could be solved by more mixed sex. And the erasure of open plan. I think considering the majority of changing and all of female toilets are behind closed cubicals, I support the inclusion of trans people in these facilities. I understand the concern in open plan facilities but as of yet a trans person waving their dick in one hasn’t been reported and I would support a campaign to include at least one private space within these which I find hard to understand why you’re saying some places don’t have these.

I don't think anyone objects to a mixed sex facility, in addition to single sex.

Job done.

And it's not just about getting naked. If I'm applying make up or drying my hair, it's a fairly intimate exercise. I don't want to do it with men around me. I certainly don't want to do it with men who fetishise women around me. And neither do I want to do it with men who wish they were me, around me.

It has been reported, you've just decided not to see things that are inconvenient.

Also, the answer is still "no". No cocks in women's changing rooms, no exceptions based on how the cock owner feels about themselves.

I noticed no one answered my earlier question... how do you all feel about a fully transitioned transwoman using the woman’s facilities if you knew she was a transwoman? I.e, had a female body