Great blog about being a trans inclusive feminist

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Here: alicenuttallbooks.wordpress.com/2018/11/04/why-i-am-a-trans-inclusive-feminist/

Enjoy!

So basically, Earlywalker believes that women and girls being cautious around strange men because we don't know who is a threat and who isn't is just a form of religious intolerance against the poor men.

I guess you could get to thinking that if you had NO idea of the current and historical stats on sexual violence by men against women and girls. You would have to be bloody oblivious, but I guess if you really wanted nothing more but to run straight over women's boundaries you could convince yourself you had some sort of point.

The difference is, catholic priests do not have their own facilities in every building.

I don't understand - it is still legal for the Catholic Church to exercise discriminatory employment policies on the basis of religion because of exceptions in the EA.

but why are we so concerned with supporting Religious ‘feeling and beliefs’ over ‘feeling and beliefs’ of gender identiity? Who decides who’s feelings are more important?

Why are we so unconcerned with supporting religious feelings and beliefs when they involve women? Apparently it's absolutely fine to have blanket rules that exclude women and gay people on religious grounds, but beyond the pale to allow women single sex spaces on religious grounds.

I don't agree with religious teachings that make it difficult for women to participate in society, but given that I can't change the teachings, I would rather that e.g. single sex swimming sessions existed than that muslim women couldn't go swimming. It's a bit like the arguments over 'burkas on the beach'. I don't have to agree with the reason why somebody is wearing what they are wearing to want a women to be able to take her children to the beach.

There are specific reasons why it is good to help muslim women to participate in society.

I’m out too rufus comments such as pineapples just reminds me that no one actually hears what I’m saying, they just think I’m here because I hate woman so I’m better off talking to the wall.

Have a nice day folks.

Ive heard what youre saying

I just dont agree with all of it

And i dont feel you are listening to me either

Anyway...deffo not responding frrooooooomm NOW

Ive heard what youre saying

I just dont agree with all of it

This. Except I don't agree with any of it 😊

Why are we so unconcerned with supporting religious feelings and beliefs when they involve women? Apparently it's absolutely fine to have blanket rules that exclude women and gay people on religious grounds, but beyond the pale to allow women single sex spaces on religious grounds.

Indeed.

eresh

Im assuming she said something i agree with...im not going back to check though

Rufus 😁

Im assuming she said something i agree with...im not going back to check though

Earlywalker is against self ID.

Yes!!

I knew it

Thanks merry

So, Muslim women should use the disabled loo, women who are uncomfortable because of past sexual abuse should use the disabled loo, and people who haven’t yet got their GRC should use the disabled loo?

I hope there are a lot of disabled loos... Oh wait...

Don’t even get me started on the homophobic implications in this thread. Maybe women who are scared of being sexually attacked by lesbians should also use the disabled loo? Fucking hell!

A whole thread calling transwoman men and all you could point out was the ‘homophobic’ parts I said. The irony is HILLARIOUS. Which was in response to someone saying men have interest in woman’s body’s or similar and read:

You could say that about anything though. Who is going to have more interest in your body if you’re naked? A gay man or a lesbian? But we don’t segregate based on orientation for our own ‘dignity’

Not homophobic at all. But go on, have another bash at making me out to be something I’m not to make your arguments appear stronger.

No one has to agree with me, the world would be a boring place if no one had opinions. I just hoped they would listen to what I said and maybe understand a bit more as to my reasoning behind my views, rather than casting me off as a woman hater or similar. (Homophobic is a new one though for Insults to me on FWR so big claps for origionality)

I am off now, just wanted to address that as it gave me the rage.

All these flounces. I'd hide the thread if I were you.

No one has to agree with me, the world would be a boring place if no one had opinions.

I do agree with you that self ID is a bad idea. I still don't understand why you think it isn't a threat when the ideology that under pins self ID - TWAW, women don't exist as a distinct sex, people should be defined by gender - has been so widely accepted by so many institutions. It's official school policy in Scotland.

I heard what you were saying Earlywalker, I just don't agree with you.

A whole thread calling transwoman men

For me calling somebody a man or a woman is as neutral as describing their blood type. It isn't a value judgement. I might as well be talking about their height.

Why is it homophobic to talk about biology?

I accept that many things in society are gendered, but I don't see why anybody would regard that as a positive thing - you might as well be making assumptions about race.

The problem is that although I hope racial prejudice will die out because differences between races are cosmetic, differences between sexes have real consequences and they aren't going to disappear.

I think I will never find out why Earlywalker is so oblivious to changes that have already happened and how far institutions have already moved towards self ID.

Maybe there is a glitch in the space time continuum and Earlywalker is posting from 2005?

Earlywalker, also stop insisting people should use the disabled loos. They are there for the benefit of people with disabilities who can't use the others, not as some sort of catchall for anyone and everyone.

An Islamic law was passed

There is no such thing as an "Islamic law".

The law was passed through by scholars at Egypt’s Al-Azhar university, which is the oldest university and known as ‘Sunni Muslims most prestigious university.’

Oh, for heaven's sake. Al Azhar is a university, it is not parliament. Its faculty have no authority to "pass" laws.

Earlywalker

Transwomen are men though, otherwise they wouldn’t be trans women.

I’d expect my partner to be interested in my body, and she is a lesbian. I might even secretly wish that really fit woman changing at the other bench might look me over, while being careful not to look at her in case she thought I was looking her over. but I could have a degree of certainty that she wouldn’t try to sexually assault me. In fact, I’ve been in many lesbian spaces and groups over the years, including sharing sleeping facilities with other women and I’ve never been made to feel uncomfortable in any way by their behaviour, or indeed acted in a way myself that might cause discomfort in anybody else. Honestly, drop the women should fear other women bullshit, it’s not going to wash. If women were so afraid of each other we wouldn’t be battling to save our female only spaces, would we? You clearly know nothing about lesbians, or indeed lesbian spaces if you think we’re ogling each other’s body’s all the time. You’re either very ignorant, or you’re just trying to stir the pot. I don’t much care which, but I’m not going to have you come on here spouting about things of which you clearly know f all, and coming out with offensive homophobic bullshit without challenging it.

PS. The women at my local mosque were very interested, and very worried when I gave them a stack of FPFW leaflets and postcards, and no, I doubt they needed a man to guide their opinion.

EarlyWalker, you won't read this cos you're off, but I make much of the fact that Genderism is a religion trying to assert the right of certain adeherents to have their feelings override the rights to privacy, dignity and safety of women.

When the issue is women's rights, why do you think the Genderist religious feelings of people who aren't women are going to have more relevance?

Oh and Earlywalker, you seem to be under the misapprehension that all transwomen are homosexual males. I suggest you go away and educate yourself. Alternatively you could venture into what passes as a lesbian space nowadays, you’ll find plenty of heterosexual transwomen lesbians There. That’s why myself and a lot of other homosexual female lesbians don’t go to them any more.

The idea that women are afraid of sexual advances from lesbians in spaces like changing rooms is just nonsense. Lesbians are not a threat to women and the idea that they are is just ridiculous and offensive.

It’s MEN we exclude.