Great blog about being a trans inclusive feminist

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Here: alicenuttallbooks.wordpress.com/2018/11/04/why-i-am-a-trans-inclusive-feminist/

Enjoy!

As for labour likely to win the next GE LOL.

I am no fan of Jeremy Corbyn but the Conservatives are in complete chaos, have been in government for 8 years, and do not have a majority.

Do you really think they are going to govern in perpetuity?

Even then, given that no Conservative cabinet member has been prepared to back away from self ID, why do you believe the Conservatives aren’t happy to support self ID?

Can you not see that by adopting policies that conflate gender reassignment with sex some local authorities already have self ID?

I’m baffled at the idea that you think that self ID is just some fringe policy.

I don’t think there would be any public consultation if it weren’t for ‘self proclaimed feminists’ making their voices heard. Maria Miller seemed quite happy with Self ID and nobody else was paying any attention.

are the findings statistically sound?
They’re not. Their null hypothesis was that there was no change. They failed to disprove the null -which means they didn’t prove anything. Failure to disprove the null can happen when there is no effect to be found, but also when the quality of data or analysis isn’t up to the job. No normal academic field supports people writing up “we didn’t disprove the null” as a real finding - one could assume anything as a null, and then make sure the data was too poor to refute it - but the authors are from a transgender think tank.

They proceeded to write up their failure to disprove the null in a very misleading but technically not inaccurate way, and a bunch of newspapers and blogs reported their findings in an utterly inaccurate way, as if the authors had proved the laws didn’t cause an issue. I really hate that such an outstandingly terrible study was so influential - but I guess truth doesn’t matter that much in this territory.

The Scottish and UK governments have both made it clear which side they are on.

Yes - Scotland already seems to be charging ahead with Self ID and already has policies in schools that promote the idea that everyone has a masculine or feminine identity.

“As early as 1988, gender reassignment surgery was declared acceptable under Islamic law by scholars at Egypt’s Al-Azhar, the world’s oldest Islamic university. In Iran, in 1987, Ayatollah Khomeini declared transgender surgical operations allowable. The basis for this attitude of acceptance is the belief that a person is born transgender but chooses to be homosexual, making homosexuality a sin“

By the Islamic statement that people are born transgender, transwoman are not seen as men in Islam. Therefore there would be no conflict of interest with regards to a transwoman and a Muslim Woman in the same toilet with regards to her religion. She may personally not like it which is absolutely fair enough, but whilst a lot of you trot out the ‘what about Muslim line’ consistently, it’s clear you don’t know a lot about Islam.

I understand that victims of sexual assault are weary, I have been there but by creating this enemy in this way, it’s not helping anyone.
Creating this enemy? What? By saying it's overwhelmingly men who assault women? Women are creating the enemy?
Fucking hell.

I don’t think there would be any public consultation if it weren’t for ‘self proclaimed feminists’ making their voices heard. Maria Miller seemed quite happy with Self ID and nobody else was paying any attention.

Exactly. If nobody had made a fuss about this, they would have quietly passed the law by now, just like they did in 2004 and in Ireland a few years ago.

it’s clear you don’t know a lot about Islam

LOL.

One person cannot make a pronouncement on behalf of 'Islam'. You know that all 'Islam' is not the same don't you? Sunni and Shia for a start.

The basis for this attitude of acceptance is the belief that a person is born transgender but chooses to be homosexual, making homosexuality a sin

Are you suggesting that the Iranian Ayatollahs are enlightened in their persecution of homosexuals?

‘what about Muslim line

For the avoidance of any doubt

I trot out the 'what about the Muslim line' as you so delightfully put it because of SELF ID!!!!

Im not having my genuine concern for a muslim women coming face to face with a piss taking man (NOT a transwoman...an actual man) twisted about by you

Or is that concern 'faux' as well

jelly

Yeah i thought that as well

Please don't talk about what Muslim women want unless you are one. (To earlywalker)
Fucksake.

earlywalker, you seem to be having a separate discussion about Jan Morris being able to use a ladies’ loo.

Regardless of my disagreement about classifying people by gender, I think the level of concern about people who have had full reconstructive surgery and who ‘live as female’ (whatever that means) is pretty low.

However that really isn’t where we are in 2018. I think you must be unaware of the level of change that has already happened.

(But thanks for coming back to respond! )

Earlywalker Just to go back to the changing rooms issue, you seem to have missed this article. Figures from an FOI request in the UK, so more relevant here than American data.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

it’s clear you don’t know a lot about Islam

Nonsense. I know a fair amount about Islam, such as there is no central authority that speaks for all Muslims, ie there is no Islamic equivalent of the Pope.

I also know that there are a variety of legal interpretations / schools of thought on Islam and what an imam from Al Azhar says apply to all.

Oh right, so let me get this straight. An Islamic law was passed, but that law means nothing? You are aware of shari’a law yes? So Sharia law prohibits a woman from being undressed in the same room as a man that is not her husband, the same law says that transgender people were born transgender and not as their birth sex, but you still don’t get it?

Please don't talk about what Muslim women want unless you are one. (To earlywalker)

Isn’t that exactly what you are all doing? Or are you all Muslims? The hypocracy.

Of course there is also a separate problem which is that doctors and academics are being prevented from carrying out research that questions access to reconstructive surgery and hormones, particularly for children.

R.e the article, of course I checked my sources. I know the deal on mumsnet - anything you don’t agree with was automatically written by TRas. Unfortunately it was not.

Study was conducted by Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law. Not TRA’s.

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/mission/

“To determine whether a relationship exists between nondiscrimination laws and crime, Hasenbush, a law and policy fellow at the Williams Institute, zeroed in on Massachusetts, where at the time of the study some localities had transgender-inclusive public accommodation laws and others did not. She and her team compared cities and towns with similar characteristics that had such laws to those that did not. They then examined police reports of assault and privacy violations in these localities both before and after the laws came into effect.”

EarlyWalker, I don't know if you're aware, but a GC feminist visited a mosque and talked to a group of Muslim women about the issue, and they were uniformly unhappy about all this. There's a thread in Philosophy/Religion that mentions it and the Muslim women are not at all in favour.

I know you probably think you're giving as good as you get, but we're not being hypocrites by wanting to make sure that all women's rights are protected and that actual women are considered before the needs of men who believe they are women. That's pretty basic non-hypocrisy for a feminist.

Oh right, so let me get this straight. An Islamic law was passed, but that law means nothing?

Maybe start here and come back when you understand: www.bbc.co.uk/guides/z373wmn

I know nothing about Islamic Law, but am pretty sure that none of them were drawn up with Phillip Bunce in mind.

An Islamic law was passed, but that law means nothing?

An Islamic law was passed in Iran, where homosexuality is illegal and is punishable by imprisonment or death. Is that really the 'progressive' example you want to use?

The law was passed through by scholars at Egypt’s Al-Azhar university, which is the oldest university and known as ‘Sunni Muslims most prestigious university.’

By the Islamic statement that people are born transgender, transwoman are not seen as men in Islam.

I just don't think their definition of a man who is now a woman extends to trans women who haven't had reconstructive surgery.