Jordan Peterson on Question Time next Thursday

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As somebody fairly new to the self ID debate, could somebody please tell me how Jordan is connected? And what (if anything) this means for next week?

I think that Peterson is gender critical, but also misogynistic... the issue for him is not women's rights, he just doesn't like being told what he can and can't say.

Peterson first shot to prominence by taking a stand against 'compelled speech' - proposition C16 in Canada went beyond requesting people use the desired pronouns and made it illegal not to.

I don't think he's gender-critical, is he? Ie critical of the notion of gender being some innate property, rather than a social construct?

From what I've seen of him, he relies heavily on gender-typing.

He maybe anti-trans or pro free speech or something, but that's not the same as being gender-critical.

He's a psychology professor by trade, so I'm sure he does understand that there is no "lady brain".

I'm pretty sure I've seen him dismissing the concept of "non binary" too.

Thanks. I know his name only and I associated it with 'something' to do with this debate, but wasn't sure what.

Must be the free speech/pronouns then. I had a glimmer of hope for QT next week.

I always enjoy a cat among the pigeons. Wonder who else is on. I rarely watch any more but will look forward to a bun fight next week. 😱😂

I agree! It is almost guaranteed that he will fall out with everyone! 

Yes, he's very much on the free speech wing of this debate. I have no problem with that. It's not GC, as has been mentioned, but it's a vital plank supporting the ability to be GC. I might tune in and see who is sparring against him, it could be quite entertaining.

When ever JP says something I agree with, I wish he'd stop waffling and state it plainly. In fact when I don't agree with him too.

He recognises that claiming humans are able to change sex is a load of bullshit. He also stood up and took shit for it bravely.

He just has an enormous blind spot when it comes to structural inequality and that when someone recounts an experience of sexism/racism/etc, they may have had an experience of just that, rather than having read the situation wrong.

He thinks feminism is a bad thing. I think he's an evolutionary psychologist and believes some or much of the different social roles of m and f are a natural product of evolutionary reproductive roles so it is actually harmful to try and oppose them. He doesn't think patriarchy is a thing. Instead society is organised according to competence.
I have seen him talking. Seems very strange. Not read his book.

He's a deranged shitbag.. Yet another needledick loser who thinks that the world needs to accept that white men know best, basically.

He is an educated man who does not put up with nonsense and has a massive following of young people who want to take personal responsibility for their actions - what is not to like?

I think I'll tune in then for some fireworks and if only in the hope that the pronoun nonsense might be raised.

Just says the programme's coming from Dulwich, but doesn't say who else is on the panel.

He will be interesting to watch, he is a bit of a hero to Men’s Rights activists and will use examples of Scandinavian countries with greater sexual equality resulting in less and less women going into engineering and science not more. His profile rose as a University professor in Canada when he refused to comply with laws telling him to use a students preferred pronouns - eg calling a man she etc. He waffles on a bit - and is normally used to giving talks or having long interviews 1 on 1 . On Question Time he will be very polarising and come across as both anti Feminist and anti Trans Rights Activists - Whilst also telling men to stop watching porn - tidy their rooms and stand up straight I assume he has teenage sons - His mantra is equality of opportunity not equality of outcome

What’s not to like? Maybe the fact that he is a right-wing misogynistic shit who believes that feminism and gender-equality is a load of nonsense. Seriously, no matter what he says about transgender stuff, anyone who cosies up to him (literally or metaphorically) is no feminist, because he is very openly anti-feminist. Probably won’t be a very popular post, but hey....

Jordan Peterson is one of the most misrepresented intellectuals in mainstream media. If you listen or read what he has to say in media sources that aren't edited i.e podcasts or you tube (I wouldn't recommend the edited you tube complications that claim to show him roasting opponents in a debate, as they will be taken out of context of a wider conversation) you'll find that he is definitely not a misogynist. He doesn't claim that there isn't any inequality in the world of gender inequality, he just points out that there is evidence that there are also other explanations for the gender pay gap other than male domination. Here is a link to an interesting discussion with Claire Lehman editor of Quillette if anyone would like to hear some of these topics in more detail
He might be critical about certain aspects of the feminism agenda but he is not a woman hater, if anything he recognises the struggles many modern women have to contend with in order to raise children and have a career better than most male academics I have heard.
His message is popular with young men but he isn't specifically targeting them....I think he really wants to reach out to all young people with his message of taking responsibility for yourself and seeking meaning in your life. He triumphs individualism over the needs of the group...sort yourself out first and this will help your family, your community etc..
I am a fan personally which obviously makes me biased but there have been some pretty scandalous claims made about him, particularly by left wing media as he is very critical of the radical left and identity politics as a whole, so I'd urge anyone who hasn't made up their mind about him to seek out some of his longer format conversations to really weigh up whether he has something interesting to say.
He has a daughter and a son and an infant granddaughter I think!

He is anti-porn and has spoken about the damage porn culture does to men.

Jordan Peterson has some interesting views. He has said that forced monogamy would be a solution to reducing male violence. I think he has said that the gender pay gap is a natural consequence of male / female difference. Should be interesting.

anyone who cosies up to him (literally or metaphorically) is no feminist, because he is very openly anti-feminist this is where tribalism goes wrong. It is possible to fundamentally disagree on some things but agree on others even though you are coming from a completely different standpoint.

The sweeden question is fascinat8bg. Legally they have worked hard towards gender equality.

In practise however, how they treat women may indicate some deep seated issues. RATEs of sexual violence seem very high.

It also seems that there is a race problem, with most rape convictions involving migrants.

www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-10-20/violence-against-women-in-5-charts

reporting rates ?Elsewhere I have seen estimations of under reporting at 80%. For comparison the uk est8nates 75 to 95% under reporting

Also note that it is only this year that sweeden consider a crime rape even if no violence or threat was involved.
..ie only this year does no mean no.

anyone who cosies up to him (literally or metaphorically) is no feminist, because he is very openly anti-feminist

What is this even supposed to mean ? Is Peterson opposed to women being educated, voting, working, holding office? Of course not.

He , with some personal reluctance, supports abortion. He is anti-porn.

The Sweden question is fascinating. Legally they have worked hard towards gender equality

And I have never seen an answer given to that paradox.

Replying to myself, isn’t it interesting that UN equality metrics do not actually take in account the real bad stuff that’s happens to women. Violence against women is not included, yet is an indiactirvor how women are actually viewed by society and people in general .I wonder if the equality metrics were defined by men?

I’ve heard him say some things which I enthusiastically agreed with. And some stuff I thought was kind of bonkers. I have the impression that going from an academic saying interesting things, to a kind of public figurehead has impacted on his critical thinking.

Lass I was hinting at an answer. Just because women are entitled to education, ifvthe level of respect for women in general is low, women will tend not to go to male dominated professions.

Sexual violence is an indication of how men in sweeden treat women in practise. It’s unusually high .

So you have a negative pushing women away from some professions, and If you don’t get financially penalised for following a traditionally female profession the motivation to go into traditionally male professions is less str9ng.