Famous undeclared GC people?

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Who do you think might be gender critical on the quiet? David Baddiel has just posted something about polyamory on a twitter thread about the doxxing of a GC uni professor. I think he must see this is all Pomo nonsense. Obviously we have Graham Linehan who’s been a compete star.

But are so many other intelligent, critically thinking famous people out there, especially the comedians, there must surely be some who are desperate to call out TRA bullshit. Where are they all hiding?

I saw that David Baddiel tweet. He gets there via David Aaronovitch and concern about the Labour party’s antisemitism. He can think. I’m sure he knows what’s going on here but like David Aaronovitch he says next to nothing.

Jane Garvey knows but says nothing having seen what happened to Jenni Murray. Im pretty sure she’s GC - the clue is that her twitter feed says nothing whatsoever. If she was in the TR camp she’d have all sorts of handmaiden comments on there and would have lots of favourable gush from other non thinkers. So I take silence to mean GC but scared.

JK Rowling is almost certainly GC but has stayed away.

I'm pretty sure Robert Webb is GC but reluctant to dip his toes in, because of the TA piranhas.

It really puzzles me how an ideological flat earth equivalent minority can silence huge numbers of people - not just celebs but the so-called silent majority.

How do they do it? Fear in the majority about being labelled bigots? So what? If you have the courage of your convictions what does it matter? It's just a word. If you have logic and science on your side why does it matter?

You could equally call this minority bigots for their knee-jerk reactions for refusing to debate or accept they may be wrong.

It's a technique that was used to silence debate about immigration - people's genuine concerns dismissed as bigotry until even the woke realised that was a debate to be had.

Will there be the same tipping point about self-ID I wonder?

I can't be the only person who couldn't care less about being called a bigot on the self-ID issue. I really cannot understand why people give a toss about being called a silly name. Maybe it's because I am elderly and have seen it all before. I don't know. I remain puzzled.

Ricky Gervais. He tweeted sarcastically about the rapist Karen White and the cheater Rachel Mckinnon.

I think most comedians, if not performatively woke, must be, because transgender ideology and politics is absurd.

I agree with all of these. The fear is palpable, as is a desire to be ‘kind’ to people. I guess you just have to give no fucks at all like Ricky Gervais. I really wish JK Rowling would just say fuck it and post a tweet letting it all out

JK Rowling for sure. I wish she'd actually bloody say something rather than mindlessly liking GC tweets.

I also had hopes for Emma Watson but they were quickly dashed when she tweeted in support of Mermaids.

How do they do it? Fear in the majority about being labelled bigots?

I've posted a link to this before, but this is what happened with another issue when people, in this case, were afraid of being labelled 'homophobic'.

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10653950/We-on-the-Left-lacked-the-courage-to-be-branded-homophobic-so-we-just-ignored-it.-I-wish-I-hadnt.html

The author describes herself: I was a young radical, daft as a brush

She, and many others, were too scared of the negative labelling to speak out, so they remained silent.

Because even intelligent men can't/won't empathise with women. We had James O'Brien mocking one of his female callers for raising her concerns about GRA (honestly can't stand him, as bad as Owen Jones in my view). When it comes down to it, they don't want to think about how women have to constantly monitor their own safety, it depresses them, the poor poor boys.

Emma Watson was a disappointment but I did suspect her feminism is more of a ‘brand’ than a critically thought out belief. Shame as she seems to be intelligent.

Emma Watson was a disappointment but I did suspect her feminism is more of a ‘brand’ than a critically thought out belief As soon as she started her He for She campaign I knew she had no real understanding of feminism: apparently the only way we can be heard is by having men speak on our behalf. Thanks Emma, what a friend to women you truly are.

When it comes down to it, they don't want to think about how women have to constantly monitor their own safety, it depresses them, the poor poor boys This has to be a big part of it and that’s so so depressing to me. I was trying to explain to my husband about the fear of walking alone at night and it took so long for him to get it. But he’s an intelligent, kind, liberal man but he struggled hugely with the idea that every man is a potential threat to women in that situation.

Biology I find it puzzling too. I think that those wishing to promote this ideology have a firm footing in positions of influence in the media. For celebs, this means that being openly GC would be career ending as well as leading to a torrent of online abuse that could spill out into real life.

So yes, I think many are scared. I would also like to think that some are playing a long game and are waiting to sense enough of a change in the tide to feel they will have a chance of actually being heard and understood.

It's a delicate dance, but for some it may be more effective to wait until more people know what you're talking about about then subtly raise the subject and make pertinent points to a larger audience -not so easy if you've already been labelled a bigot and silenced.

But I always got the impression from Emma Watson's speeches and the things she said that she understood that women were oppressed because of their biology.

In her HeForShe speech at the UN she even says how she was lucky because her parents didn't love her any less because she was born a daughter and not a son but some others weren't so lucky. How does she think parents know which children are born sons and which ones are born daughters if not by biology? Somebody should ask her that.

Frances Barber

She has been amazing recently - takes no prisoners

I think if I hadn't had a relationship with someone who is trans and seen the ways in which TRA conflicts with feminism in all of it's misogynistic glory, I probably would have gone along with the TRAs too. I initially welcomed gender identities such as non-binary as they represented how I feel about myself, and a lot of younger people will see this as freeing themselves from the shackles of gender and celebrating diversity. Child star Emma Watson has never had to use a homeless shelter or a rape crisis centre and probably doesn't know anyone who ever has, she can't see it the risks. For those who actually are GC and are remaining silent, it's sheer cowardice and fear of damaging their careers. People are showing their true colours through this debate.

I'm interested in the thoughts of people like Malala. I'm sure she gets it, and she's obviously very brave too, yet she hasn't said anything either way I think?

Child star Emma Watson has never had to use a homeless shelter or a rape crisis centre and probably doesn't know anyone who ever has

Whereas JKR probably does. So she understands the risks.

I think many are looking at the online abuse people like Graham Linehan have got and have decided it's not worth speaking out, they don't want to put their families' safety and their careers at risk. Also they may just be trying to work it all out - there are so many new forms of crazy being touted as fact that it can take a while to wade through it all and find your own solid ground. People in this country are generally brought up to not rock the boat or cause offence wherever possible and many people - famous or otherwise - would rather say nothing at all than risk getting it wrong and upsetting people. Especially given the media pile on when someone dates speak out against the woke norm.

I have never had to use a shelter or rape crisis centre and I don't knowingly know anyone who has and the risks to me are clear as day. You don't need first hand experience to have empathy.

Hmm, I think it helps to have first hand experience actually. That's often why men don't tend to get it either.

They shouldn't allow themselves to be silenced.

We're up against npc bots who are incapable of thinking critically and who reject science, how hard can it be to put these people back in their boxes? They are exactly like the flat earthers.

You can clearly see how the Nazis managed to get away with what they did. How is medicating, operating on and ruining children's lives any different from eugenics and the eradication of the sick and disabled prior to WWII? That became a mainstream, accepted practise amongst the medical establishment of the time, with doctors too scared to speak out.

Neutering youngsters who are autistic is no different, it just has a few pink unicorns attached to make it seem less sinister.

Being doxxed must be terrifying whoever you are. If you're famous, and may be at risk from obsessive fans as well as Trans activitists, the fear of being doxxed might take in an extra dimension.

The polls that have been done show the majority of people in the UK do not agree with self-ID and they classify people by sex. They are willing to accept those who prefer to present as a different gender but not reclassify people with penises as women and people with vaginas as men.

The trans activists with all their constant abuse and bullying have communicated that a tiny but apparently very scary and potentially violent, although almost certainly irrelevant and middle aged TERFs (women) must be silenced. So it’s propaganda, people are confused. They don’t understand who the scary monster TERFs are and they think their own view is in the minority when it is very much the majority view.

That is the message that needs to get out there. Of course when Posie can’t even put up a poster with the definition of woman it shows how determined they are to silence us all. It is so unbelievable that we are in this Orwellian world.