Famous undeclared GC people?

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Who do you think might be gender critical on the quiet? David Baddiel has just posted something about polyamory on a twitter thread about the doxxing of a GC uni professor. I think he must see this is all Pomo nonsense. Obviously we have Graham Linehan who’s been a compete star.

But are so many other intelligent, critically thinking famous people out there, especially the comedians, there must surely be some who are desperate to call out TRA bullshit. Where are they all hiding?

Because if you or I hold a "controversial" opinion, nobody outside our immediate circle gives a shit.

If you're a sleb then your controversial opinion could see your picture in the front page of the rags and your name smeared. Look at the way Morrissey (?) Has been sneered at for talking about immigration.

Your need the hide of a rhino not to let that hurt you or scare you. Gervais I'm looking (for once in admiration) at you.

PrincessButtockUp - no doubt it is, I'm afraid to post anything myself and I don't have a platform the way that these people do. I still don't feel it excuses remaining silent whilst women's rights are being trampled over, it only shows that they are prepared to only speak up and stand by their principles when they know in advance that their opinions are going to be popular and they have nothing at stake or else turn a blind eye, how pathetic.

I think having first hand experience would help to really understand the deep sense of visceral fear some women must feel being in an enclosed space with an unknown man but I guess what I mean is that you don't need to have experience to see the risks and how safeguarding can be compromised. DH also sees it although perhaps it bothers him less as he will never need to access those spaces whereas I might one day.

Maybe we get it on a head level whereas if you've been there you get it on a heart level too.

The consequence to celebrities or others with a high profile (eg journalists, academics) is certainly an issue. Look what’s happended this week in academia - rape threats, doxxing and sacking. It’s a terrifying climate.

And of course here I am posting anonymously because I too am afraid of incurring the wrath of TRAs. It just feels like some additional support from those with a bit more power and influence could change the tone of this (non)debate.

Sorry that was a reply to PlantsArePeopleToo - the thread has moved on somewhat!

James Dreyfus and Julie Burchill have been excellent.

I’d not seen anything from James Dreyfus, off to have a look, thanks!

Gia Milinovich ( married to Prof Brian Cox) is but she has a locked twitter and carefully screens potential followers. Bit disappointed that Brian never comments but I suppose he’s usually off all over the world filming .

Whatever happened to 'there's no such thing as bad publicity?' or ''There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.' Or does that only apply to Z-listers?

Boy George was on topic last I saw

Ricky Gervais did delete a controversial trans-related tweet though - never seen him do that about any other subject!

Brian Cox is exactly the kind a rational scientific mind that it would be so beneficial for people out there to see being gender critical. Quite how people like Richard Dawkins can sit out of this debate I don’t know. He’s said some very inflammatory things in the past (that I don’t agree with at all) so he’s obviously not afraid of bad press. He must seriously look at the whole gendered souls, sex transubstantiation bullshit and think ‘Yeah, totally makes sense’

Brian cox has commented, it was possibly on one of Graham Linehan or Robert Webb's tweets...? damn memory...

I think Rupert Everett has spoken out too?

I'm sure I've seen Richard Dawkins comment on it once too, can't remember what exactly but it was on the rational science-based side

I wonder what else would be tolerated if people are threatened into accepting it.

Rape
No employment rights
Slavery
Racism
Animal torture
Bestiality
Paedophilia
Forced medical treatment

Any well enough funded and vicious enough group could get what they want.

Isn't democracy supposed to protect people from tyranny? Don't we have anti terrorist legislation?

I suppose they can get away with it because it only really affects women, children and the disabled.

Ian McKellan said in an article that he'd have been transed nowerdays, iirc

www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/02/ian-mcewan-criticised-over-transgender-remarks

I agree about Dawkins, he's never been afraid of speaking out and he has also previously called out sexist ideas connected to the MRA bastardisation of evolutionary theory.

Dawkins...
planettransgender.com/richard-dawkins-insults-transgender-community/

Spot on, citiesofbismuth

Linked the wrong article for Ian mckellan (silly google), but yes Ian mcewan has been criticised for trans-related remarks too

I'm glad that he's said something, but telling that this isn't common knowledge and I have only so far seen this reported in the link above with an inflammatory headline on planettransgender

Also his tweet was incredibly cautious and vague. I think he probably has no idea about the harms self-ID could do either.

Interesting links for both Dawkins and McEwan, thank you. It’s amazing to me that this then doesn’t get ‘joined up’ in any way so there is a coherent message that not everyone is blithely accepting the TWAW narrative. I suspect this is because it might then be seen as an anti trans movement. But of course it’s not anti trans, it’s pro women, pro children, pro science, pro logic. Everyone that I know who is gender critical accepts the need for trans people to have rights and to not be discriminated against, just not at the cost of other groups or of reality.

I’m not sure about doing the TRAs’ “outing” for them.
If someone hasn’t declared one way or the other, what right do we have to speculate, especially when it could mean them being targetted?
I hated the forced outing of people like Jodie Foster, demanding that they publicly information they preferred to keep private and this seems the same.