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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Butterfly - Feedback from ITV to email complaint

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ShineyNewName5032 · 24/10/2018 13:21

As many on here have noted Butterfly is possibly one of the most controversial topics covered on ITV. I wrote to express my concerns this is the response:

Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for your email concerning ITV’s new drama series Butterfly.

The producers consulted with senior clinical psychologists as well as the charity Mermaids. Most importantly, they spoke to families and children about their own lived experiences. The programme does not “promote” Mermaids, although the charity is depicted in a handful of scenes across three episodes. It depicts the family being advised by a range of different professionals, and indeed being offered a range of different advice, both in this country and the United States.

We do not consider that the drama is irresponsible or could “lead to more suicides”. The drama depicts a nuanced and complex story of an unhappy child, whose feelings are increasingly distressing, and which are leading to self-harming. This reflects the lived experience of some young people who are not comfortable in their assigned gender, but we do not suggest that Maxine represents all young people in this situation. It is clear that our fictional families’ problems are complex, as Maxine’s parents both clearly wish to protect their child, but cannot agree on the best course of action, and this conflict is itself shown to be damaging to Maxine’s wellbeing.

Nevertheless, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.

Yours sincerely,

Charlie
Viewer Services Supervisor

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HandsOffMyRights · 25/10/2018 07:38

This excellent video by expert Michele Moore, covers the 80 per cent+ children (possibly higher) who desist.

She talks about the medical pathways children are fast tracked on to. It's chilling.

CosmicCanary · 25/10/2018 07:39

Feminist4

You talk about trans rights being denied in an earlier post. Can I ask what rights they are?

BrickByBrick · 25/10/2018 07:55

House mum, you’ll drive your child away.

There is a part of me that wants to be so so angry at you saying this, how dare you say that to another family. But there is also a great sadness that this rhetoric has truly taken over, that parents are constantly being told that going down the route of total affirmation is the only way.

I am not sure if people really truly deep down believe this, but it must be difficult to 'stray' if you are being told 'do this or they will die' I can understand the 'hatred' towards TT as it challenges these views and to have so much hatred towards it there must be a part of people thinking 'they could be right' otherwise they would come out with solid arguments rather than 'it is full of hate.'

Feminist4 · 25/10/2018 08:24

Housebrick, I know young trans people who are no longer in contact with their parents because they refuse to accept they are trans. It is heartbreaking for both.

qumquat · 25/10/2018 08:28

House mum, you’ll drive your child away

This is incredibly cruel and emotional blackmail. All any parent wants is for their child to be well and happy. I hated my parents for not letting me completely starve myself when I was anorexic. I am now glad they did.

Kardashianlove · 25/10/2018 08:31

Rebecca36 and scotsheather thank you. Agree it’s going to take years but it did with those women who paved the way for us to wear trousers as the norm. The more we can all be accepting and teach our children that clothes are clothes the quicker it will happen.

Feminist4 · 25/10/2018 08:32

It's offensive to compare gender dyphoria with anorexia. Anorexia is an illness which has a very high mortality rate. Gender dyphoria is neither of these.

OldCrone · 25/10/2018 08:36

Anorexia is an illness which has a very high mortality rate. Gender dyphoria is neither of these.
What is gender dysphoria if it's not an illness? And if it's not an illness, why do children need to be medicated with puberty blockers?

CosmicCanary · 25/10/2018 08:36

It's offensive to compare gender dyphoria with anorexia. Anorexia is an illness which has a very high mortality rate. Gender dyphoria is neither of these.

And you dont think wanting to remove healthy body parts, hating the body you have, stopping puberty and threatening self harm/suicide is an illness?

Kardashianlove · 25/10/2018 08:37

Feeling suicidal because you think you are in the wrong body is common.
And children who feel like this should be supported but they shouldn’t be told they can ‘turn into’ the opposite sex.
Transitioning makes trans people much happier.
But what does ‘transitioning’ even mean? Does it mean a boy who grows his hair, paints his nails, puts make-up on?

I’d be really interested in statistics for people like Belindabauer as there are so many adults who felt like that as a young child/teen and who would have been ‘trans’ if growing up now but I’m guessing the vast majority are happy as a woman/man now. The human brain doesn’t fully develop until mid 20s.

I bet we can all relate to feeling so strongly about things as a teenager and being unable to comprehend we may feel differently as we got older. I know if I had to live the way I thought I wanted to 16/17/18 I would be really unhappy now.

AspieAndProud · 25/10/2018 08:40

If gender dysphoria is not an illness why does it require medical treatment?

TufVoyaging · 25/10/2018 08:41

I got much the same brush off;

Thank you for your email regarding the drama, Butterly.

We thought it worth clarifying in light of your comments that the Red Production Company consulted widely with experts, including child mental health experts and gender identity clinics, as well as with children and families about their lived experience during the making of the drama.

I can confirm that your comments and concerns have been logged here at ITV and will be fed back to the relevant teams.

May I take this opportunity to thank you for taking the time to contact us here at ITV Viewer Services.

If we can be of further assistance please do not hesitate to contact us again.

Yours sincerely,

Charlie

ITV Viewer Services Supervisor

Feminist4 · 25/10/2018 08:41

The World Health Organisation doesn't think it is an illness, but does think that anorexia is an illness.

Feminist4 · 25/10/2018 08:42

So many Mary Whitehouse clones here

AspieAndProud · 25/10/2018 08:42

Are there any other conditions that aren’t illnesses that require medical treatment?

Kardashianlove · 25/10/2018 08:43

Anorexia is an illness which has a very high mortality rate. Gender dyphoria is neither of these. I’m so confused. I thought these life changing hormones, blockers, etc were given as the only other option was sucicide and it was better to be alive and on this awful medication than dead.

qumquat · 25/10/2018 08:45

I thought the 'supportive' line was that children would commit suicide if they weren't affirmed as their new gender? By that argument gender dysphoria has a potentially extremely high mortality rate, reduced only by parents acting like the mum in Butterfly. If this isn't true (it isn't) then that's fantastic. But you appear to be agreeing with us that the suicide risk has been erroneously inflated.

CosmicCanary · 25/10/2018 08:45

So many Mary Whitehouse clones here

What a childidh response.

Fem could you answer my earlier question as to what rights arr transpeople losing/not entitled to?

qumquat · 25/10/2018 08:47

Cross post kardashian! Either the suicide risk is high or it isn't.

RiverTam · 25/10/2018 08:47

anorexia is a severe mental health condition, which sounds like a pretty accurate description of sex dysphoria.

Feminist4 · 25/10/2018 08:48

Hormone blockers are to delay puberty. It is about enabling youngsters to have time to make the decision and reduce the bodily changes of puberty.

Aspie, why don't you start campaigning against plastic surgery instead?

Feminist4 · 25/10/2018 08:48

I already did.

CosmicCanary · 25/10/2018 08:50

I already did.

Is that to me?

Sorry I did not see your answer addressing what rights transpeople are missing out on.

Feminist4 · 25/10/2018 08:53

Right to transition without spouse's consent
Right not to be treated as mentally ill requiring 2 psychologists to refer them. Need for prohibitive amount of documentation and financial cost that is out of reach of some homeless trans young people who have no parental support a result of their being trans.