What is ‘cis privilege’?

[MissSusanSays]

I’ve seen quite a few of the posters wo come on to make the pro-self id argument rage about ‘cis privilege’

Could one of them actually explain what it is? Because I struggle to see how women, who are oppressed by their sex and forced into gender norms, abused, paid less, over looked for promotions, given shoddy maternity care, suffer post natal depression in silence, suffer miscarriages, fight through the shame and difficulty on infertility, endometriosis, breast cancer, rape, sexual assault, menopause, hysterectomy, groping, belittling etc are privileged.

If someone who believes in ‘cis privilege’ can point out to me what privileged women have then I’d really, really like to know.

Or is it just another way to shame women into not talking about the tragic and terrifying things that happen to them because of the way their bodies function?

No Karen White is a violent criminal. There are violent women too- like Rose West. We don’t judge all women as being like Rose West.

My questions were in response to you blabbing on about how mean the feminists were being to trans people and how brave they were being

Posted too soon...,

You then blamed women for the violent behaviour I highlighted and have now swiftly moved on from the trans rapist, to... women can be violent too. Just amazing the lengths people like you will go to throw women under the bus.

I have to say that even though I have been in the joyous position of being comfortable being a woman, this does not make me privileged. We all have shit to deal with. Most of us know that if we shout about it, we’ll be told to shut up. Why are these TRAs treated differently?

pennydrew, honestly, don't worry about it. I have engaged with that poster before now, and personally don't actually believe a word they say, and consider the flailing around a very poor disguise for a simple lack of comprehension and a need to be the creator of much drama.

I have no interest in supplying them with what they need for their gratification, so I have made my boundary very clear to avoid any confusion. Please don't get yourself get up on my account. And certainly don't get upset by them.

Privilege has a number of different meanings. Whilst I agree that on a personal level, child bearing feels like a privilege, particularly in comparison to a woman who is infertile and heartbroken, that is not the definition of the term being used here.

My understanding of 'cis-privilege' includes exactly this definition. The privilege to have the anatomy to grow a child, something many trans women yearn for.

You seem to have very little understanding of the tribulations of trans people.
I think you may have a slightly outdated idea about who qualifies as a transwoman these days.

FloralBunting thanks! Def not upset!

Karen White is a rapist. 99% of all rapes are committed by males.

Libfems and postmodern feminism don’t address the historic structures that exploit women as a class.

Jezebelz, it's at this point that I am going to say that wanting an anatomy that you do not possess is not an example of structural oppression. Whatever 'your understanding' of the term cis privilege, trans feminine male bodied people are not being oppressed in any way at all by not being able to gestate children. They may be unhappy about it, and I can feel as sorry for them as I do for anyone who struggles to accept the normal run of the world, but no more than I do for the toddler sobbing her heart out because she doesn't have pretty wings.

It's sad that she is sad, but it's not an injustice that needs to be corrected.

My understanding of 'cis-privilege' includes exactly this definition. The privilege to have the anatomy to grow a child, something many trans women yearn for.

The term privilege in these contexts doesn't mean having something that someone else wants (or fetishes in that case).

It means not being aware of the misfortunes of others, on a class basis, because your view is limited by your personal experience.

Well off woman saying austerity doesn't impact women, for instance.

Or a man saying anyone can hold forth in a meeting, it's not about sex.

It's being oblivious to your status.

You can't identify into or out of it. Otherwise it would be transmen we were having this fallout with and transmen who were all over Twitter, on radio shows, tv panels, etc.

‘Structural advantage’ that really seems to be grasping at straws.

Has structural sexism been dropped from Feminism 101? 

FloralBunting and Datun both excellent responses 👏🏾

Transwomen are often disadvantaged and discriminated against. But they are not exploited. There aren’t historic cultural, economic, and legal systems set up to insist they provide reproductive, domestic, and sexual labour to men.

And this.

Women aren't going out of their way to disadvantage men, in order to get some kind of gainz.

I feel for trans women having to hear your appalling pseudo feminist arguments. They really are living through terrible times. You seem to work on the assumption that men will change their birth certificate to access women’s spaces. Please, you must realise they can access most of those spaces already. I can’t imagine any men would change their birth certificate - only trans women and men would choose to do this. It’s an argument that sounds logical, but it’s actuslly very damaging and quite absurd.

Pseudo feminists 😂 actually what’s scary is that people like you are appropriating women’s lives, forcing women to step aside for males, damaging young children by enforcing gender stereotypes on them and medicalising healthy children, in some cases sterilising them. That shit is batshit crazy and it’s damaging children.

You seem to work on the assumption that men will change their birth certificate to access women’s spaces. well actual experts who work with predatory men have actually said this.

I think comparing a trans woman wishing she could bear a child to a toddler wishing she had pretty wings emphasises how trans women are often mocked and dismissed.

I cannot envisage a scenario where anyone would mock and dismiss an infertile woman for having exactly the same feelings.

Hence cis privilege.

I used to think like you. But having a trans child changed how I think. I realised it was untrue.

I cannot envisage a scenario where anyone would mock and dismiss an infertile woman for having exactly the same feelings

So you are appropriating the medical issues of females and then trying to claim some sort of discrimination because we won’t consider transwomen wanting to give birth as a similar feeling to a woman suffering from actual medical issues. This is some kind of mad hideous appropriating. Yuck.

Nah it’s all true, facts and stuff

Pennydrew, nobody said anything about discrimination. But I agree that your mockery is a disgrace.

But I agree that your mockery is a disgrace 🙄 I’m not the one mocking. You have some serious
issues that no amount of ‘debating’ here will solve. I will never stop defending women against misogyny, in all its forms, including the appropriating of our lives. No.