Lily M standing as women's officer again

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Gather LM is saying that they had to give up the previous post because they left the area (to go to Goldsmiths) but they're now standing for the women's officer post in Lewisham Deptford CLP. Voting is on Sunday, apparently.

To be honest I think Lily Madigan looks quite unwell, and I would hope for their own wellbeing that someone encourages them to take some time out of the public eye. Sadly I doubt this will happen because whoever is the real power behind all this seems to be happy to exploit the desperate hunger for fame/notoriety/power which seems so common among young people in this 'movement'.

God it's so sad. Just writing that, I think yes of course young people are so hungry for acceptance and belonging, hungry increasingly for fame, and here's this TRA surge which offers them just that - it plays into the really natural confusions and longings that we all have when we're a certain age, but takes it off on some wild, aggressive, mob-rule rampage. It's like a sort of football hooliganism, so 'us against them', tribal, but dressed up in rainbows and 'equality'. So bloody sad.

I really don't think Lily is going to be fading away. I think the whole 'Savile's apprentice' thing may have had a grain of truth, in that Lily may have been identified as useful by some older AGP/M/TRAs, rather than the story of going on Google and just happening to chance upon lawyers who would work pro bono to get Lily wearing skirts to school and get into the girls toilets and changing rooms. Lily is now going to be part of that lovely community who produced such charmers as Tara Flick Wood and the wokesters who visit homeless women to lecture them about pronouns.

I hope we can all "lay off" this person now.

I hope Madigan stops making an arse of h**self now.

Where is your working out

18 is 22% of 83.

Did you not add 65 + 18 to get the total 83 figure for 100%?

I wasn't going to say anything but you were being cheeky so...

TBH, the whole attitude to Madigan is one of the unattractive sides of gender critical views (to which I am generally sympathetic).

She was appointed a local Labour women's officer, not some national, influential position. I don't see anything wrong with a man being a woman's officer, especially at a local level, and I don't see anything wrong with it being a trans woman

Did she respond with dignity, wisdom and equanimity to everything thrown at her? No - she's 19 FFS and being attacked on all sides!

'What did she do for women? she just went on about trans issues!' - well, seeing as everyone went on at her for being trans, we don't know what she'd have been like if she'd been left to it.

I'm not saying she's a saint or a marvellous person or a good role model, but she's a young human being and it wasn't fair to make someone so young and inexperienced, who just went in to help on a local level, where she might have gained some understanding of women's issues, a national figure for sneering and abuse, and it's rather tainted the whole argument unfortunately.

I think you missed the bit of the saga where a campaign of harassment against Anne Ruzylo meant she had to resign. Lily was part of that and wrote letters of complaints against AR to get her ousted. That was just prior to becoming WO in a different CLP.

I don't think that put Madigan in a great light. Neither did forcing Madigan's school to let boys into the girls' toilets and changing rooms.

I disagree with absolutely everything you've written, Echo. I agree that LM has been used but equally LM is an adult who has behaved atrociously, repeatedly. Being surrounded by yes-people hasn't helped LM one jot. So I'm not about to be another one.

She was appointed a local Labour women's officer, not some national, influential position

LM sought publicity when she challenged the school.

LM sought publicity when she stood as Woman's Officer.

LM has aquired national (& international) publicity and influence.

The point has endlessly been made:

Either someone who has taken up a political role is a vulnerable, possibly unwell youth/child who should therefore be excused and indulged in inappropriate behaviour not usually tolerated at all from people in post, and protected from the general public expressing inevitably negative views about it - in which case that individual should not have been placed in that post and their manager should be accountable - which they weren't.

or they're legally an adult, have made the legal adult choice to stand for that post, and are equal to the same standards and public expression of response as anyone else. And their manager should have managed their behaviour as they would have done any other post holder, which they failed to do.

We have an MP in the HoC only months older. But she's female, so hasn't even been noticed, never mind awarded special consideration.

If Madigan can't stand the heat Madigan needs to get out of the kitchen.

And that is true for anyone who chooses to be in the public eye.

I don't see anything wrong with a man being a woman's officer

The point of a woman officer is to encourage more women into politics and potentially be a purpose that a woman can approach about a sensitive (potentially embarassing) issue, especially if they don't feel they can raise it in person themselves.

What is the point of a woman's officer if its a man?

Honest question.

Sorry @echobelly but I take a completely different view.

Yes, Madigan is young and still trying to find a role/place in life, but there is a real, vicious streak in their character.

Leaving aside the lies - denying the Jimmy Saville/rape social media, denying the bullying of the Women's Officer in Bexhill, denying multiple social media accounts, then saying they have a GRC, then saying they don't, then saying they sued their school when they did no such thing - underlying everything is a thread of venom towards women who don't fully support them.

Putting XX on their Twitter, and saying it was just "kisses", sniggering yesterday that Gill doesn't have a Twitter, the two lesbian ex-girlfriends now wanting nothing to do with them, using the sensitive issues of women's refuges and period poverty to burnish their "female" credentials, it's all pretty unpleasant - not to say manipulative.

I do accept though that Madigan is vulnerable. There has been a rupture with their parents - and their brother has basically accused them of lying to maintain a public platform. And Madigan has tweeted about previous mental health problems and the medication they have taken, I think for schizophrenia.

So who knows the future? I think Madigan sees Labour as their substitute family, so will just keep trying to find a place in the Party, and that will involve going for women - it never seems to be men, does it?

Leaving aside the lies

Oh, and the blaming the brother for hacking into h** Twitter account.

Oh, and the claim to be autistic.

oh, and the claim to be disabled. That one lasted a few days, maximum

I don't see anything wrong with a man being a woman's officer

Then you're not looking hard enough. One of the things that has really sunk into me the past few months is that the under representation of women in public roles, particularly parliament, is a huge, huge problem for women. Particularly that the women who have managed to rise to the top have not got there by representing women, women's interests or by being in any way challenging to the system.

Watch Anne Ruzlyo talk for 2 minutes on youtube and then name any MP or cabinet minister that can talk to a room of people like that, with her skill, experience, fluency. Why has someone of Anne's calibre not been pushed up through the Labour ranks? How many more excellent people, particularly female people, are there stuck doing the donkey work at lower party level?

I don't see anything wrong with a man being a woman's officer

In theory, I don't either. But as it happens, to become a LP women's officer you apply through a women-only shortlist, from which other men are legally excluded.

What makes a man who identifies as a woman different from any other man?
They should just open up the position to everyone. I really wouldn't have a problem with that.

It's insulting to open a women-only shortlist to a few men who fancy it, or are simply trying to make a political statement by entering it, it makes a mockery of female opression.

Anne Ruzlyo is an absolute STAR- a brilliant speaker.

If we ever get to the point where it would be OK for a man to be a women's officer we would no longer need a women's officer or all-women shortlists.

I don't see anything wrong with a man being a woman's officer

I do.

oh, and the claim to be disabled.

Oh, yes. I had forgotten about that. There was some sort of alleged mobility issue, wasn't there?

I recall them claiming to be autistic and also partially sighted?

Lily is not 19 ! Lily is nearly 21. Most people that age would be leaving university in a few months time, having matured somewhat during their three years there.

Yes, autistic, partially sighted, disabled and schizophrenic, then something about schizo affective disorder wasn’t there ?