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Lily M standing as women's officer again

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ScarletBegonias · 23/10/2018 11:17

Gather LM is saying that they had to give up the previous post because they left the area (to go to Goldsmiths) but they're now standing for the women's officer post in Lewisham Deptford CLP. Voting is on Sunday, apparently.

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sorenipples · 28/10/2018 22:14

Wasn't being a delegate a prerequisite for being women's officer? If I'm following, did Gill not stand as a delegate in the agm as she was already a delegate voted in my Brockley branch (in a rebellion against momentum who provided a slate who weren't all resident )?

Voice0fReason · 28/10/2018 22:34

I am so glad that Gill won. She was by far the superior candidate.

whitershadeofpale · 28/10/2018 22:54

That’s exactly right @Soren and based on what I’ve seen online (I wasn’t at the branch meeting), today’s delegate vote was a second bite of the apple for Lily after not having followed correct procedures to be eligable at the branch vote.

Rather than deny the chance to stand, there was an extension given for the vote until today to ensure the slate was correct and therefore the delegate vote went ahead today. Lily and momentum thought Lily was a shoe-in and were campaigning for the next step as Officer- however Lily didn’t get far enough to stand, hence why she only delivered the speech about being a delegate (poorly imo).

dillydallyXX · 28/10/2018 23:05

@floralbunting

Rest your eyes! Here's what LM wanted to say. Note the number of "I"s and "me"s. Such a sense of entitlement. Well done, Gill! I think LM really, really wanted this position and I'm not sure LM will handle this rejection at all well. Perhaps LM will embark on a campaign to usurp Gill. Here's LM's opus:

Sisters.

When I announced I was standing to be Chair of this forum - and Women's Officer of our CLP - I knew what was going to happen.

I knew that I would be confronted with a week of constant attacks, where I would be called the wrong gender, the wrong name, and face smears in the right-wing press.

I knew I would be dismissed, treated like an overly-ambitious upstart or someone who should 'get back in their box.'

I knew that despite being a woman, living every day of my life as a woman and being mocked and disparaged by some of the most vile misogynistic people for it, I would be accused by those who call themselves 'comrades', of undermining womanhood itself.

I don't say that because I want you to pity me, and I don't say it because I think I 'deserve' to be Women's Officer by virtue of who I am.

No. The reason I'm standing in front of your today, through all of that, is because this is what kind of party we want to be.

In my previous CLP, I fought against the closure of Sure Start centres and women's refuges. I knew it was by opposing cuts and Tory austerity that we could show who we are, and on who side we're on.

I'll do the same in Lewisham Deptford - standing up for the most oppressed and marginalised women in our communities.

By electing me, you'll be sending a message that those women are front and centre in what we do, and who we fight for.

I want to see women-only, fully accessible campaigning and training sessions so that new, less experienced members feel comfortable and welcome in our movement, standing for positions at every level. It's only a breadth of ages, backgrounds and experiences that's going to grow our movement.

I'll support bringing in those different experiences, those looking to learn and listen to other women, politicised by their own experience, as the only way Lewisham Deptford can become truly representative and a force for change in our communities.

I also want to see an end to sexual violence.

Two women are murdered each week as a result of the misogynistic abuse happening in the homes of our neighbours and our colleagues.

It won't be defeated unless we first eradicate it from our own circles and that is why it is shameful that sexual assault and harassment still blight the Labour Party itself.

We need consent and bystander intervention workshops for all of our local branches, so that by tackling sexual violence at its source, amongst those who perpetrate it, women and survivors feel truly welcome in our movement.

There are many women who aren't only unable to participate in our meetings and campaign days but in every part of life, from school to work to the elderly and unemployed.

Period poverty is real, its dehumanising and it's something that shouldn't exist in 2018. I've already reached out to Red Box and PFP Deptford, who work to provide free sanitary products in schools.

Whether elected or not, I'd like to see the Women's Forum commit to supporting these local organisations as well as regular collections at our brand and CLP meetings.

It's just one other way that women are bearing the brunt of austerity. I've been enthused by the work of local trade unionists, many of whom share our politics but they can't make our meetings because they're in precarious, shift work.

Between shifts they've been working to unionise bar and hospitality workers, as well as cleaners and carers - many of these workers are not only women but women from black and ethnic minority backgrounds.

It's these women that we should be making every effort to welcome into our Party, working class women for who Labour should be their natural home.

DeRigueurMortis · 28/10/2018 23:05

Thanks for the explanation.

FloralBunting · 28/10/2018 23:13

My word. My inner textual critic is itching to take that section by section, but I shall restrain myself. It's so... indicative of how very central to everything Madigan is.Grin

cockBlocker · 28/10/2018 23:30

@Couragetocourage - No, of course not.

LuggsaysNotaWomen · 29/10/2018 01:26

It’s noticable that the first half of that durge is centered solely around Madigan and the second half is just listing the problems that women face (that are frigging self evident to a chimp), however, all of ta sudden the focus shifts onto solutions its all about “we” and “the party” and “everybody” etc. Not so fucking Madigan centered once it is about actually doing something then? Interesting.

Just can’t understand how Lm lost! It’s a mystery.

DeRigueurMortis · 29/10/2018 01:59

I couldn't get past "Sisters" before I got a bit of sick in my throat.

As an aside.....

I see Sarah is trying to make the most of their 5 mins of fame.

twitter.com/sarahxdorman/status/1056605193335382017?s=21

Also noted is Sarah is very keen on supporting sex workers, presumably because that's inclusive to women prisoners of the sex trade?

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adulthumanandtired · 29/10/2018 06:24

I’m genuinely gobsmacked having read some of the links on this thread. If this is the calibre of people that are active in Labour and want to attain leadership roles rue Labour party really is doomed.
There also appears to be a message that trans identifying males are somehow more deserving of positions reserved for women than women are. Very odd indeed. I won’t be voting Labour.

nottakingthisanymore · 29/10/2018 06:43

How can one be a non binary sister? I thought non binary was niether male or female. I genuinely don’t get all these new identities.

nottakingthisanymore · 29/10/2018 06:44

Oh I see it’s sibling. That makes more ‘sense’.

sorenipples · 29/10/2018 07:08

There was a really interesting post about period poverty in the area that got deleted from momentum Facebook page. Claiming in many cases the issue wasn't purely finances (as value brand products are cheap and often adequate ) but an issue of financial abuse, where the men control thr household budget but don't prioritise woman and girls.

I'm not disputing that for some it is a simple matter of finances, but it did highlight to me how simplistic Lily's "I'll bring a box to every meeting so you can donate products and make me look good" solution is.

TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 29/10/2018 07:16

A good point indeed, sorenipples (ouch!).

LizzieSiddal · 29/10/2018 07:20

So LM didn’t follow correct procedure, so couldn’t enter the election?

Lm and their supporters are so bloody arrogant they don’t even think to follow the rules!

TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 29/10/2018 08:00

Rules are for little people! LM did tweet something about being 're-appointed' as Women's Officer, which was an odd choice of words. Seems not to grasp that each constituency is separate. Not a good sign in one doing a Politics degree.

hackmum · 29/10/2018 08:09

That speech is much too literate for Madigan to have written it.

BettyDuMonde · 29/10/2018 08:17

Yes, I saw that post. It also talked about the systemic ways that make women more likely to live in poverty than men and how the Labour Party should be working on those root causes, not just giving out tampons (the equivalent of treating a symptom, not a disease).

If anyone screenshotted that thread and can find the comment, I would like to read it again!

Floisme · 29/10/2018 08:17

I tend to keep my thoughts about Lily Madigan to myself as I sense they’re not entirely in control of events and, when the wheels come off, I don’t want to be the one feeling bad about something I said.

I have no such compunction about Jack I-know-what’s-best-for-women-better-than-they-do Jackson whose tweet epitomises everything I have come to despise about the Labour Party over the last 40-odd years.

Gileswithachainsaw · 29/10/2018 08:18

What rules weren't followed?

TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 29/10/2018 08:40

I can't follow it fully, Giles, but a procedural thing which Betty explained above about most of the constituency party business being handled by a committee to which active members can be elected. I think they're the delegates. If you aren't a delegate you can't be the Chair of the Women's Forum. LM failed to be elected as a delegate, first of all at ward level because of technicality around not being registered at an address in the ward or constituency, and then at the meeting because other people were preferred. Hence not eligible for election as Chair of the Women's Forum.

Is that right?

KatVonGulag · 29/10/2018 08:47

Sounds fair enough to me, Lily I imagine, thinks rules should change to suit Lily.

This response to that Sarah's tweet is funny.

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BettyDuMonde · 29/10/2018 08:56

I think so!

The labour rule book is pretty dense and impenetrable and I tend not to pay much attention to the bits that aren’t relevant to our area (and we use the other option, an ‘all member’ system) but yes, as far as I can tell, Lewisham and Deptford work on the delegate system and you cannot contest an executive officer position unless you are already elected as a delegate.

Gill is a delegate through her branch and was eligible to stand for WO. Lily had the chance of winning a women’s forum delegate place, which would entitle Lily to run for WO.

Lily failed to win that delegate place and became ineligible as a candidates for WO and thus, never got to do Lily’s WO speech.

I don’t know what the alleged ‘agenda change’ was, but it seems to me that any change to the order of the meeting might’ve been to enable Lily to have the opportunity to stand (ie, if the WO position was voted on first, Lily wouldn’t have been able to try for a delegate place and then stand for WO, Lily would’ve simply been shit out of luck).

Normally you elect a new chair first and they chair the election for the lower positions.

I’m sure this is well annoying for LM has has moved from a much smaller branch, working on a less complicated system, it it looks like Lily’s participation in the elections was actually given more support and consideration than mandated by the rules, rather than less.

Telesilla · 29/10/2018 09:02

Hullo sorenipples and BettyDuMonde - I screenshotted that thread and I think this is the post you mentioned. Really good points.

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BettyDuMonde · 29/10/2018 09:04

Yes! I think Thain’s reply was also excellent, from (middle aged) memory?

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