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Times 'Lib Dem trans activists ‘hounded’ abuse victim (Natalie Bird)''.Article refers to Zoe O'Connell & Sarah Brown

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R0wantrees · 19/10/2018 09:40

article by Lucy Bannerman
(extract)
"A victim of domestic abuse was removed as a judge of a radical thinking prize and “hounded” out of her role within the Liberal Democrats for saying that she did not believe that men who identified as women should have access to women’s refuges.

Natalie Bird, 38, a mother of two who fled an abusive former partner, was accused of “dangerous transphobia” by transgender activists in the party. She had said that opening up safe spaces without proper safeguards to anyone who said that they were female could put women at risk.

She opposed segregating women’s refuges by chosen gender instead of biological sex, and said that it was not fair to make female victims of domestic violence, abuse and rape share services with people with “functioning” male anatomy.

After being allegedly bullied on social media by party activists, Ms Bird was brought before a disciplinary hearing to face a complaint in the name of Zoe O’Connell, on behalf of the LGBT+ Liberal Democrats. The correspondence says that Ms Bird had “expressed troublesome views”.

The hearing found no evidence to support the complaint of transphobia, but Ms Bird lost her position as chairwoman of the Radical Association, made up of party members, following a vote of no confidence. This cost her her role as a judge of the Ashdown Prize for Radical Thought; an ironic move, Ms Bird said, given that the prize’s aim was to reward “big, bold, radical” solutions to society’s most “daunting problems . . . no one has the courage to argue for” (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lib-dem-trans-activists-hounded-abuse-victim-b6dx39tv3

Hopefully many LibDem Members will stand in support of Natalie Bird.

O'Connell and Brown make a mockery of the LibDem priciples and their bullying abusive behaviour has been allowed to run unchecked within the party.

The Liberal Democrats exist to build and safeguard a fair, free and open society, in which we seek to balance the fundamental values of liberty, equality and community, and in which no one shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity. We champion the freedom, dignity and well-being of individuals, we acknowledge and respect their right to freedom of conscience and their right to develop their talents to the full. We aim to disperse power, to foster diversity and to nurture creativity. We believe that the role of the state is to enable all citizens to attain these ideals, to contribute fully to their communities and to take part in the decisions which affect their lives.

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R0wantrees · 25/10/2018 09:00

April Preston Director of the 'Radical Association' which features in this thread.
radicalassociation.org/our-team

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Bowlofbabelfish · 25/10/2018 10:30

soros

Will you state that you believe humans can change sex, given your views above?

Bowlofbabelfish · 25/10/2018 15:03

No..?

welshbookworm · 24/11/2018 12:11

I'm a life-long LibDem voter and I am on the brink of cancelling my membership. I've kept hanging on, hoping things would improve, but after Layla Moran's cringingly embarrassing performance earlier this week, the email I've just received from Jo Swinson may be the last straw.

To mark 100 years of women's suffrage the LibDems have produced a T-shirt and guess who is in poll position in the top left-hand corner? Grrr!!

Times 'Lib Dem trans activists ‘hounded’ abuse victim (Natalie Bird)''.Article refers to Zoe O'Connell & Sarah Brown
Popchyk · 24/11/2018 12:21

That is hilarious. Grin

Women, why bother achieving things when men just have to claim to be women in order to be celebrated by us?

Bit annoyed at Belcher being left off though. That's a kick in the teeth, surely?

RepealTheGRA · 24/11/2018 12:59

This is just confirming my long held belief that the Lib Dem’s are batshit and dangerous.

FermatsTheorem · 24/11/2018 13:02

So Shirley Williams, architect of the Equal Pay Act and all round awesome woman, gets bumped in favour of Sarah Brown? Says it all really.

I have in the past voted Lib Dem. Never again.

welshbookworm · 24/11/2018 15:01

Bit annoyed at Belcher being left off though. That's a kick in the teeth, surely?

She's only a wanna-be politician Popchyk I can't find that she's ever been elected, even as a councillor, Sarah Brown's highest achievement. When I think of all the women who have served their communities faithfully as councillors over the years I could scream to see Sarah Brown usurp their place.

NoseringGirl · 24/11/2018 18:35

My friend's Mother was a Lib Dem councillor for years. She's in her 70s now and is still doing so much for her community and for women. She doesn't go on twitter to bully and make obscene comments to women though so maybe that's why she didn't get a place on the T-shirt?

KenDoddsDadsDogsDead18 · 24/11/2018 18:39

Did April ever provide evidence for her allegation vs. Julie Bindel?

Sorry scrolled further down to October.

BlackForestCake · 25/11/2018 00:41

Why is the T-shirt in “terfy colours”? I understood that purple and green are transphobic colours now.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/07/2024 19:49

Update: Natalie was in court today. The Lib Dems aren't defending as they admit to having breached the Equality Act in their treatment of her. Adjourned to 20 August for costs and damages hearing.

x.com/nat_freespeech/status/1815403706256351464?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

^The @LibDems have unusually put in a judgement against themselves and admitted every aspect of my claims against the party.
Costs and damages are still to be resolved.^

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/natalie-bird-v-liberal-democrat-party?utm_campaign=post&triedRedirect=true

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/07/2024 19:56

That's excellent news! The message is getting through.

Why did it take so long to get to court?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/07/2024 19:58

I don't know tbh. I imagine at one point they weren't going to admit to any wrongdoing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/07/2024 19:59

I think this is great for women in the Lib Dems and also other parties such as Labour and the Greens.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/07/2024 20:16

This thread is a wild ride - rereading. It's worth seeing how mad the Lib Dems were are

Omlettes · 22/07/2024 20:18

Its quite extraordinary but the Lib Dems are even more unhinged on gender ideology than the Greens.
Of all the replies I've had from the political parties, the Lib Dems were the most patronising unprofessional and downright idiotic.
They must be feeling quite defensive over the donations from PB manufacturers in the current climate.
That aside they remind me far too much of the villagers in the film Hot Fuzz.
Scratch the grimacing smiley surface and they are batshit insane.

Omlettes · 22/07/2024 20:27

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/07/2024 19:49

Update: Natalie was in court today. The Lib Dems aren't defending as they admit to having breached the Equality Act in their treatment of her. Adjourned to 20 August for costs and damages hearing.

x.com/nat_freespeech/status/1815403706256351464?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

^The @LibDems have unusually put in a judgement against themselves and admitted every aspect of my claims against the party.
Costs and damages are still to be resolved.^

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/natalie-bird-v-liberal-democrat-party?utm_campaign=post&triedRedirect=true

That is such great news thanks!
Step by step case by case its getting done.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/07/2024 20:56

Tribunal tweets said there was a second GC Lib Dem up in court alleging discrimination this week. Anyone know who that is?

UpThePankhurst · 22/07/2024 21:18

Very interesting to see the impact of previous court cases beginning to take effect. There may be absolute belief of being right in a cruel and wrong world, but also an admission of knowing that the case will go against them, and the consequences are not worth it.

That's a huge step in the right direction.

ArabellaScott · 22/07/2024 22:31

Wow. The dominoes continue to topple.

I wonder if there will be a judgement to read, does anyone know?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/07/2024 22:44

I think this was a pre trial hearing, so as the Lib Dems have accepted they have discriminated against her, the next round of was going to be the hearing proper, but now will be the costs/damages hearing. So I imagine the judgment will follow that.

ArabellaScott · 22/07/2024 22:56

Great, thank you.

RedToothBrush · 22/07/2024 23:26

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/07/2024 19:49

Update: Natalie was in court today. The Lib Dems aren't defending as they admit to having breached the Equality Act in their treatment of her. Adjourned to 20 August for costs and damages hearing.

x.com/nat_freespeech/status/1815403706256351464?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

^The @LibDems have unusually put in a judgement against themselves and admitted every aspect of my claims against the party.
Costs and damages are still to be resolved.^

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/natalie-bird-v-liberal-democrat-party?utm_campaign=post&triedRedirect=true

Wow that's fab news. I will pass it on to my contact. Obviously been following this one with interest for some years...

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