Radio 4 transgender cyclist

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start 7.24

updated posicly in 2015 to remove surgery requirement and show reduced testosterone.

she does not support lowering testosterone more.

I wonder why?

the data shows there is no relationship between natural endogenous testosterone and performance

there was a strong reaction on social media

people say that you who was born a man do have an unfair advantage. (presenter)

mentions muscle mass remaining same. presenter

refutes born a man (rachel)

and they are returning to the issue later in the programme.

She’s never met someone who was born a man.

Really?

Unless you transition before puberty, then surely you would as a transgender woman have “benefitted” from all the muscular developments etc that make a man physically different from a woman.

so easy to challenge some of these points - e.g. to say 'born male' and yet the presenter didn't do it

The sheer brass neck! They have no shame at all. Spat out my breakfast when they said they didn’t want testosterone limits lowering.

Rachel is a CHEAT!

Glad you heard that bit about them returning to it later, I was incredulous there was no one GC and knowledgable about sport interviewed. I still think that for real balance, on the day the consultation closes, they should have had a GC voice on as part of the same conversation (ie at the same time).

It feels as if common sense has just been switched off.

Rachel is NOT happy on Twitter.

I don't understand why the cyclist said they weren't born a man. It's early and my mind isnt awake yet. Does anyone know what was actually said. It sounded bizarre.

They are returning to the whole issue later, not just sport.

They did quote a NZ(?) academic who pointed out lung capacity, muscle mass & muscle memory.
The cyclist refuted it by saying the person hasn't published anything and it was only opinion.
But I think these points did come over clearly.

It was only a very short bit segwaying between #news' and 'sport', but done by the main presenter not the sports presenter.

"Not born a man" is a valid point. Man = adult. No one gives birth to an adult!

Born a boy would be accurate.

Randomly - it's because in the world of batshit-crazy, one has had a laydee brain all along, just that other people didn't realise this until one told them (and one was "coercively assigned male at birth", or as Nursey in Blackadder might have said "it's a girl... with a willy...")

They will think that because their brain is female, and has always been female, then their body has always been female. This is actually not a joke. This is the thought process.

They weren't 'born a man' I guess because a man would be an 'adult human male' and you aren't an adult when born. But that is just nitpicking with wording really.

“I don’t know anyone who was born a man”. PeakTrans 2 million people. Job done, thanks Rachel!!

Dh said, let them talk and always reveal how mad they are.

Well they were nitpicking and the GP won’t accept the nonsense.

Thanks. I would be interested to know the response if interviewer had said "born with a male body" instead of born a man. Would that language have been accepted?

What's amazing is that some people are so delusional that they're willing to go on TV or radio, hold forth, and think that everyone will accept their claim that they're an actual woman.

Total own goal.

Mishal Hussain used the term “ciswomen”. I growled at that. “Women” is fine, thanks.

Sorry, just realised it may not have been Mishal!