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Stephen Whittle influential TRA asserts 'We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected' & Corbyn seems to confirm this at Pink News

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R0wantrees · 18/10/2018 10:35

Yesterday on a thread condemning Stephen Whittle's use of predicted suicide, he joined and commented confidently:

In the end we will pull ourselves together and continue the campaigning – as we have always done. We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected. As I tell the community “we have always lost more battles than we have won, but we only ever need to win the big one”.

I hope that clarifies matters.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3397010-Guardian-article-on-MPs-concern-with-GRA?msgid=81891984#81891984

Last night at Pink News party, Jeremy Corbyn apparently confirmed Whittle's belief:
'PinkNews Awards 2018: Jeremy Corbyn vows support for transgender reforms'
by Nick Duffy
(extract)
"Speaking about transgender rights, he said: “We must speak up for the trans community, who today face shocking attacks in the media—just as lesbian and gay people did in the 1980s—as well as now online, which can be a wonderful place but also a horrendous place where attacks take place.

“Labour supports reform of the Gender Recognition Act and Equality Act to allow for self-declaration. The deadline for Government’s consultation is on Friday.

“Trans people must be able to live full, healthy, and happy lives—being the person they want to be. Labour will stand up for their right to do so.”
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/17/jeremy-corbyn-pinknews-awards-2018/

Yesterday too, the Labour Party promoted Stonewall's guidance for the GRA:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3397280-Labour-party-promoting-Stonewall

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3390910-Can-we-talk-about-Pink-News-Collecting-examples-of-their-propaganda

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3375587-Press-for-Change

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3397127-Stephen-Whittle-Press-for-Change-irresponsible-use-of-likely-suicides-follows-Helen-Belchers-Trans-Media-Watch

Stephen Whittle influential TRA asserts 'We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected' & Corbyn seems to confirm this at Pink News
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SunsetBeetch · 06/07/2019 11:11

Good job Labour doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell, then.

RubyViolet · 06/07/2019 11:23

Wow, did not know that Corbyn abstained ! Such a hypocrite !

SunsetBeetch · 06/07/2019 11:50

Both Jeremy Corbyn and Labour's official twitter account have tweeted the lie that the Stonewall riots were started by "two trans women of colour"

R0wantrees · 06/07/2019 12:50

Both Jeremy Corbyn and Labour's official twitter account have tweeted the lie that the Stonewall riots were started by "two trans women of colour"

AfterEllen article By Grace Chu:

'From the Archives: An interview with Lesbian Stonewall Veteran Stormé DeLarverie'
(extract)
"Some have referred to her as “the Gay Community’s Rosa Parks.” She fought the police during the Stonewall Rebellion in 1969 and has been identified by many – and has identified herself – as the legendary “Stonewall Lesbian” whose assault by the police became the pivotal moment in the street disturbances that spurred the crowd to action. (continues)

She first realized that she was gay when she was around 18, she said. She recalled the day when the vague and nebulous feelings of being somehow different from everyone else finally crystallized into something definitive. “One day, I woke up and went, ‘oh!'” she said, her hand motioning to an imaginary light bulb above her head. I remarked that the late 1930s and early 1940s were probably not good times for gay people, that there was no such thing as a gay identity, and there probably wasn’t even a word for being gay.

She said, “Oh yes there was. The word was ‘queer.’ That’s what they called us.” The word was used as a slur." (continues)

She was identified as the Stonewall Lesbian in Charles Kaiser’s book The Gay Metropolis, and her scuffle with the police has been mentioned a few times in passing by The New York Times in the past couple of decades. Then in the January 2008 issue of Curve Magazine she identified herself as the Stonewall Lesbian in a detailed interview with writer Patrick Hinds, an excerpt of which is below:

”[The officer] then yelled, ‘I said, move along, faggot.’ I think he thought I was a boy. When I refused, he raised his nightstick and clubbed me in the face.” It was then that the crowd surged and started attacking the police with whatever they could find, she said.

I asked my last question hesitantly. “Have you heard of the Stonewall Lesbian? The woman who was clubbed outside the bar but was never identified?” DeLarverie nodded, rubbing her chin in the place where she received 14 stitches after the beating. “Yes,” she said quietly. “They were talking about me.”

And then, almost as an afterthought, I asked, “Why did you never come forward to take credit for what you did?”

She thought for a couple of seconds before she answered, “Because it was never anybody’s business.” (continues)

www.afterellen.com/people/77167-an-interview-with-lesbian-stonewall-veteran-storm-delarverie/3

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LassOfFyvie · 06/07/2019 13:14

Yes and he also voted to repeal Clause 28, YOU abstained. Actions speak louder than words

Omg I did not know that?!?! Jesus

Technically he and Dianne Abbott did not attend the House when that vote was taken. Although why they failed to attend is pretty inexplicable. Possibly Corbyn could not bring himself to actually vote in favour of anything Blair did.

I don't find the comments by Johnston, in the context of them being made by Johnston, particularly offensive. They are buffoonish and schoolboyish. I don't think Johnston is or was homophobic. I expect in Johnston's mind he may well think , I've got gay friends and that's the sort of thing I would say to them.

placemats · 06/07/2019 13:38

Technically he and Dianne Abbott did not attend the House when that vote was taken. Although why they failed to attend is pretty inexplicable.

Oh I don't know about that. I was in Ireland at the time. The rumours going around then were, just that, rumours. Or where they?

AlwaysComingHome · 06/07/2019 19:32

Oh I don't know about that. I was in Ireland at the time. The rumours going around then were, just that, rumours. Or where they?

I’m pretty sure that back then both knew what a man and a woman was.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 07/07/2019 09:40

h’self Thanks.... I needed a way of saying that! Smile

sueseyphone · 07/07/2019 09:54

Lifelong labour voter lost here. And I'm in a swing seat.

ThePurported · 07/07/2019 12:10

Both Jeremy Corbyn and Labour's official twitter account have tweeted the lie that the Stonewall riots were started by "two trans women of colour"

It's like the whole establishment has been waiting for an opportunity to erase gays and lesbians from history. Relabel everyone as 'trans' - job done.

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Angryresister · 09/07/2019 01:28

Just had yet another email from labour MP saying that he will be looking at the issues closely when the GRA comes to parliament. In my opinion he should be looking at them right now

JoyceJeffries · 09/07/2019 08:35

Corbyn couldn’t be arsed to turn up to vote against section 28? What a hypercritical arse hole.

R0wantrees · 13/02/2020 15:07

current relevent threads:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3820422--ExpelMe-trending

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3821631-The-Times-reports-RLBs-pledge

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3821653-nandy-on-r4

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3821783-Keir-Starmer-has-now-signed-the-trans-pledge

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3820161-Angela-Rayner-says-you-can-only-be-a-Labour-member-if-you-believe-TWAW

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3821567-Labour-Leadership-Candidates-on-Newsnight

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3821589-Emily-Thornberrys-Statement-About-Hate-Groups-Trans-Rights-Labour-Pledge

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3821120-Fawcett-defend-Womens-Place-UK

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3816442-Womens-Liberation-2020-on-Womens-Hour-today

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