Women's Hour Tomorrow!

[MsBeaujangles]

The consultation is going to be discussed tomorrow on Women's Hour. They are asking for our views!

Well there is another thread about the strippers on the bbc -

... sexy stripper lady talking about taking off a stocking and gagging herself with it...so if you want to talk about what you dress in to strip and your high heels then go for itzzz

But there is no chance of women getting air time on the bbc speaking about

Women's sport
Women only spaces
Predators in prison
Child protection .... no chance

So everyone jumps on the Me Too bandwagon but we are STILL criticised for being fearful? How does this work? You're allowed to talk about it - no - shut up - we're not interested.

Goldenbuns yes you get an expert from Ireland who says there has been no issues with selfid in Ireland - (then the same person sides steps the Karen White scenario) and bingo you silly women get on with it and stop being paranoid and being fearful of Male or trans women who are physically male...

I've been thinking about the strip programme 

However did like the woman talking about getting her under arm hair on stage 

Una Mullally: I'm here to say everything is hunky-dory in Ireland.

Q: How does the law actually work in Ireland?

Una Mullally: I actually don't know.

Great. Just great.

Saying changing the GRA doesn't change the EqA is like saying "It's ok everyone, we're keeping the door locked just as it always was" while making massive changes to your criteria for handing out keys.

Love that ^

And according to Bex, the new GRA isn’t going to impact on women because they have lots of rights to change documents anyway.
So they want us to throw away all present safeguarding, dignity and choice for women, so trans women can change their birth certificate?

Non binary is just a label for "I'm not like other girls/boys". It's a snotty way of setting oneself as better than their peers, and the parents embracing it are doing the same thing to their own peers "I'm a special parent to a super special child, I'm more understanding than other parents", while they reinforce sexist stereotypes and basically do-down all the unspecials who of course all happily conform to stereotypes.

This! That bloody rabbi. I translate what she said as:

My daughter is better than all your daughters, about whom I give no shits. She is claiming non binary as a way to escape sexism. She can do this because she's bourgeois and we don't give a flying fuck about perverts in prisons, refuges and locked mental health wards because that's just the dreggy women affected and why should wonderful special people like me and my daughter care about plebs like them?

Bex got an 18 minute appeal to female socialisation and can fuck right off. Bex is having no female socialisation off me. Bex should get some actual arguments.

Well, that made me so angry that it prompted me to finish filling in the consultation.

There is proportionately very little made of the fact that self ID will kill the sex equality act stone dead. You cannot have self ID and protect sex.

Once self ID allows you to legally change sex show a person with self ID cannot be challenged because they will actually be protected by the equality act as they are legally now a woman.

Why is that so difficult for people to grasp?

Men winning Women's sports. Men taking Women in Business and Women in Tech awards. Men being womens spokespeople in Politics and Universities. Christ, in 2018, why wouldn't any clever girl not want to be a boy!

Great point, Calpop please say you’ve sent this comment to WH.

It’s getting so tiring hearing women’s legitimate concerns being deemed ‘fearful’. At least half the people on the debate added nothing or, worse, blithely spouted minimalising guff that then wasn’t allocated enough time to be adequately challenged. Fewer talking heads and focussing the argument on key issues would have been more helpful.

how, not show.

'"I'm a special parent to a super special child"'

Yes! That's it exactly. Stupid, smug and pointless

That lawyer, sorry seems to be a solicitor not a barrister, has her own firm and has a non profit surrogacy agency. She is not a human rights lawyer, they did say she was a family lawyer, but it's rather an odd choice when we are talking about human rights legislation.
www.nataliegambleassociates.co.uk/about-us
She might like the clicks unfortunately. There are lots of well known human rights legal people who could have done this.

I don't think it went too badly, TBH. I was very pleased that they didn't reference suicide at all, in the irresponsible way that it is usually done. Also, Susie Green and Mermaids were mercifully absent. Producers possibly mindful of controversy WRT organising bottom surgery for her child at age 16.

Honestly, they should have just given the whole programme over to Bex Stinson. BS has a very obviously male voice and came over as male. Some people won't have realised that BS believes themselves to be a woman until JG asked whether BS had a GRC themselves. Stonewall totally underestimated how this would come across to casual listeners on the radio.

BS gave answers that demonstrated no understanding of what being born female means for females. In a male voice. This movement is going to destroy itself.

Debbie did very well. Dr Nic did her best but wasn't given enough time to develop nuanced points. I was glad that the Irish woman was challenged.

Wasn't quite sure why the British lawyer or Rabbi were invited. Bex, Debbie and Dr Nic would have been sufficient.

I'm not sure my blood pressure can face listening to it based on the responses on this thread. But I may give it a go this evening using arementalkingtoomuch.com/ (link helpfully posted by someone on a different thread) to measure pro-self-ID vs pro-women time talking (that is - time devoted to everyone else vs time given to Dr Nic & Debbie).

I’ve only just starting listening but fuck me, that Bex person loves the word ‘fundamentally’, don’t they?

'This movement is going to destroy itself. '

I really, desperately hope that you're right

Fundamentally, they talked bollocks.

Between the ages 11-14 my daughter wanted to be a boy, only played with boys, didn’t like washing much and even wore a replica Man. U kit to the school disco for goodness sake.

Back then in the dark ages I didn’t know she was special, I just thought she was being an individual.

Now I feel cheated, done out of my moment in the spotlight!

Snot fair!

The lawyer is mentioned on Stonewall’s website and wrote the below article. She has taken a view on one side of a legal DEBATE and that was not countered or made clear by BBC.

www.nataliegambleassociates.co.uk/blog/2017/11/15/the-gender-recognition-act-2004-reform-for-transgender-rights/

It would be like only having a pro-Brexit lawyer on to give a view on why it would not be a problem, and not even bothering to mention opposing views exist.

Redkeyboard

Wow, that’s shocking tbh how disingenuous

I think Women's Hour sometimes reads out emails about earlier programmes, don't they? At any rate, it might be worth emailing with specific corrections of specific incorrect factual statements?

Something that did annoy me was that JG called Fair Play for Women 'Fair Play to Women'. Twice.

So the Irish expert didn't know anything about the situation in Ireland despite chairing meetings and the barrister wasn't that good on the law. Megha Mohan added nothing useful but was pro trans, same for Rabbi Janner really

And four against two. Lots of emotive stuff. Is this the BBC's idea of a feminist programme and giving both sides to the argument?