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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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Delete My Gender Please

153 replies

Barracker · 12/10/2018 16:25

Dear @MNHQ. I do not have any gender, because as I'm sure you know, I don't believe in gender as a characteristic that people 'have', only as a stereotypical role people of a sex are expected to perform.

Therefore, as you currently hold some 'gender' data on me that states:
Barracker, Gender = Female
AND as that data is both false and I do not consent for you to hold it, please delete that specific piece of data from my personal information at your earliest convenience.

Thank you.

(If you would care to capture data on my biological sex, I would be delighted to offer you that data. Do let me know as soon as you create a field to capture my sex data. This should also assist you if you intend to monitor or analyse data on the Equality Act 2010 regarding the protected characteristic sex.)

Warmest regards

Barracker x

#DeleteMyGender

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TimeLady · 12/10/2018 17:08

Only adult human males can become transwomen.

Adult human females who transition become transmen.

doublethink · 12/10/2018 17:08

A quick look at the history of Notveryblissful shows that they enjoy using the word cis. So, strike two.

IKeepFlouncing · 12/10/2018 17:08

MN please ban the fucker!

BrownPaperTeddy · 12/10/2018 17:09

The law doesn't consider gender and sex to be different

I noticed this today when filling out a passport application. They ask for "gender M or F". They don't ask for sex.

So yes, they must consider sex/gender to be synonymous.

FloralBunting · 12/10/2018 17:09

Ah, I see. We can't keep 'woman', but we have no choice but to accept 'cis'.

You guys just can't help your totalitarian selves, can you?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 12/10/2018 17:10

And we should report every instance as being contra to the EA2010.

I have started doing so, sometimes I email more than 3 organisations a day... and I am not actively looking for them!

YoureOnOurTerfNow · 12/10/2018 17:11

I am not a c*s woman. I am a woman .

There is no need to add 'c*s' because the only women on this earth are born biologically female so there is absolutely no reason to make that imaginary distinction. It's women and transwomen.

Barracker · 12/10/2018 17:11

Before a 'transwoman' legally changes their 'gender' they are in law... what exactly, if you please, NotVeryBlissful?

Legal Sex = ?
Legal Gender = ?

Just wanted to test your theory that sex and gender are the same.

Also, if you wouldn't mind, what is the biological term for the sex that produces ova, and the sex that produces sperm? Any mammalian species, but ideally humans?

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Notveryblissful · 12/10/2018 17:11

Trans women were always woman, the transition refers to them living and changing legal and social parts of their lives to fit that reality, and also often going through surgery and treatment.

The law determines that when you legally change your gender you are considered to have changed your sex. Therefore trans women are adult human females, both in law, society and reality.

FloralBunting · 12/10/2018 17:13

I'll be different, and instead of 'define woman' I'll say 'define often, and surgery'

ShowOfHands · 12/10/2018 17:13

Cis is objective 😂😂😂

It isn't an appropriated misnomer used to deny biology?

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 12/10/2018 17:14

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Notveryblissful · 12/10/2018 17:14

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 12/10/2018 17:15

Refers to them living? Changing their social lives? How were they living before? Why?

And if you can change your gender and your sex, what would you be changing it from? Surely there would be no need to transition to/from anything if trans women were always women.

I do love a roundabout.....

Fearandsurprise · 12/10/2018 17:15

Could anyone tell me how someone can “change the social part of their life” in order to be a woman? Asking for a friend with autism who is finding this confusing and distressing. I can’t answer it.

InfidelForever · 12/10/2018 17:16

I am of the female sex, please would that be represented. I do not have a gender

FloralBunting · 12/10/2018 17:17

Notveryblissful, don't @ me please.

That's a polite request for you to respect a commonly held boundary round these parts. I know that's going to be a troublesome concept for you.

IKeepFlouncing · 12/10/2018 17:17

💤 💤 😴😴w ⚓️ 💦

Blissful

LangCleg · 12/10/2018 17:17

Cis isn't an identity it's a objectively characterisation.

Bless all things SPaG. Keep on representing. You're doing a sterling job thus far.

ShowOfHands · 12/10/2018 17:17

I don't think Floral is struggling with the dictionary definition of those words, merely your understanding of them in this context.

Ffsnosexallowed · 12/10/2018 17:17

They may feel female (whatever that means), but biologically they are male. Even if legally they are recognised as female, they remain biologically male. If that wasn't the case there would be no need for hormones etc... The world has gone mad.

Notveryblissful · 12/10/2018 17:18

Trans women are at birth identified and given the identity of a man, when in reality they are women. This may mean that for a period they live as a man and outwardly seem like a man, but that does not stop them in reality being a adult human female.

The transition is their social, legal and often medical transition to living fully as a woman, as it their reality. They may have previously been legally identified as a man, bit that does not mean that they weren't in reality a woman, that is the whole point of the GRA, it is so people can change their legal status to be in like with reality.

It's not that hard.

user187656748 · 12/10/2018 17:18

The law doesn't consider gender and sex to be different

This isn't actually correct. The law considers the two words to be interchangeable since for some decades the two terms have been used interchangeably to mean sex.

Its only in the past few years that gender seems to have been 'redefined' to mean something else. That hasn't yet affected the law though.

As it happens the use of the two words in two different ways is quite helpful in trying to navigate through this mess.

LangCleg · 12/10/2018 17:18

Trans women were always woman

It's one became two, rather than two became one?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 12/10/2018 17:19

Yeah, that's bollocks that is, quite literally!

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