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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Hey up women - someone has arrived to show us how to do 'womaning' right

147 replies

pombear · 07/10/2018 19:07

Thank god - we were waiting for this revolutionary message.

I had no idea how to "take ownership of and assert agency over my own body" till this [person] policed the fuck out of 'what makes a woman'!

(PS I unashamedly enjoy sex too, but the stick-on-hearts would probably end up on the duvet, so not that revolutionary, as someone has to tidy up afterwards!)

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Southernstars · 07/10/2018 23:10

Afterschoolworry you are so right 😬 they are Drag Queens not trans women.

Dictionary

drag queen | noun
. a man who ostentatiously dresses up in women’s clothes.

Charliethefeminist · 07/10/2018 23:12

Somebody must have called it manspreading by now

Letshopeitsallok · 07/10/2018 23:14

Oh goodie, I was wondering what to wear to work tomorrow.

When I turn up with my tits out and no knickers under my puffs jacket I’m sure they’ll realise I’m asserting my agency in a male-dominated world.

MagicMix · 07/10/2018 23:14

Can't we just express ourselves sexually by having sex with our chosen sexual partners? In private?

MrsFogi · 07/10/2018 23:15

I finally got around to asserting agency over my very hairy legs and armpits this morning.

Charliethefeminist · 07/10/2018 23:19

Oh goodie, I was wondering what to wear to work tomorrow

GrinGrin

DoctorTwo · 07/10/2018 23:20

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RedToothBrush · 07/10/2018 23:26

Madonna has been peddling for years

Has Madonna been relevant or culturally influential since the 90s?

bluetitsaretits · 07/10/2018 23:33

luggsays good point. One might need a machete in case of difficult bush.

CarmellaTheWolf · 07/10/2018 23:38

You’re all being very unkind. The individual in this photo has clearly gone to a great deal of trouble.

RubyViolet · 08/10/2018 00:10

Obviously no serious jobs or platforms being offered, no newspaper columns, tv shows, book deals. After all that money being spent on a private education, all the money spent on plastic surgery, all that privilege and you end up doing porn. Bottom of the barrel.

pombear · 08/10/2018 00:26

twitter.com/MunroeBergdorf/status/1049075754812809217

Mon? Mon, mate. None of this makes sense.

The idea that a woman can enjoy sex without it being for anyone's benefit but her own, really isn't a hard notion to grasp

It's almost like you envy cis men, not like you want to be any better than they act

I don't think you 'get' most of us women Mon. (And you pose away, I've no problem with that, just stop telling women what you think, as a transwoman, is women's revolutionary stuff).

Oh fuck it, I'm off to bed. I don't have time on my hands to address the madness!

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pombear · 08/10/2018 00:28

*Mun, not Mon. End of the day - def don't need a hobby, lots of life stuff taking up my brain space!

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BabiaMajora · 08/10/2018 01:04

Chrysanthemums your post reminded me of .
Rachel Bloom has this ‘express your sexuality’ shite nailed. MB and co are so blinkered by old feminist ideas: they don’t get that their brand of agency is so irrelevant these days that it’s a joke to women. And then they become enraged when we don’t take them seriously.🙄

RubyViolet · 08/10/2018 01:17

Pombear, Monroe refers to people other than the self relying on sexwork in that tweet. But from the photo it looks like Monroe is also doing sexwork.

LikeDust · 08/10/2018 07:43

I didn't realise getting extreme and extensive surgery to change your body and face and unexpressionately posing in awkward and uncomfortable positions to disguise the parts you are ashamed of and want to hide - was "enjoying your form". It looks more like the self-punishment of someone who hates their form. But maybe that's just me...

LikeDust · 08/10/2018 07:53

It's Monday morning and I haven't properly woken up. By I didn't get what this meant at all: "It's almost like you envy cis men, not like you want to be any better than they act"

Is Munroe saying that taking the piss out of someone for making a twat of themselves doing/saying ridiculous things is a masculine trait? Did Munroe have a delusion about women that we'd all cheer and go 'you go girl!' as we all should have been trained? Munroe has some sexist assumptions about how women should act.

Cyw2018 · 08/10/2018 08:07

My 8 month old DD would NOT be impressed by the stickers as she pulled my top down, uninvited, for the umpteenth time of the day to get to HER boobies!!

53rdWay · 08/10/2018 08:29

ha Cyw2018, I was going to say that the closest I’ve come to the warm-top-but-boobs-out look was while bf a newborn. “Well I can’t be arsed doing my bra up AGAIN...”

This idea of ‘agency’ and ‘empowerment’ seems to assume that women’s natural state is decorative. Like if it was up to us, we’d naturally drift towards spike heels and pouty lips and sitting with our boobs out all the time because that’s just what women do, right?

boatyardblues · 08/10/2018 08:41

Oh yeah, Playboy centrefold has been my long time life ambition. /sarcasm.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 08/10/2018 08:43

I know the temptation is there to make fun of this, but I'm actually really insulted, not just because of the hyper-sexual 'I'm posing for the male gaze' picture, but because, for me, agency is about being able to walk down the street at night without being fearful of men. It's about leaving my windows open on a hot night without fear of men and it's about not being judged by men according to my fuckability, even when this is not relevant (like in workplaces). Not only does MB not get this, but the indivudual perpetuates this stereotype and the whole set-up just demonstrates male-thinking, male socialisation and male sexuality to me. How dare MB in deigning to speak for me, as a woman who has lived half a century under patriarchal rule, perpetuate my oppression just to make a point about that individual's sexuality and how they get their rocks off? That's what men have done for centuries. Same old, same old.

OrchidInTheSun · 08/10/2018 08:51

It's the same schtick that Paris Lees pulls when writing about the thrill of being catcalled. Being an object of desire for the male gaze is the aspiration. Because woman is performative, not a lived biological reality.

ifonlyus · 08/10/2018 08:59

llama "Put your legs together love you're not on the tube!!!" Grin

They've managed to demonstrate Mansplaining and Manspreading in one tweet.

Threewheeler1 · 08/10/2018 09:14

YetAnotherSpartacus
That's exactly it. Not a fucking clue that women have had to adapt their behaviour all their lives to try to avoid the risk of sexual & physical harm from men. And still it happens.

Datun · 08/10/2018 09:26

Oh dear lord. Is this because Munro has lost several jobs for racism and lesphobia and the thing over that film award?

Is this the 'going nuclear'???

Because it's another own goal. Pretending that getting your tits out for the lads empowers women, means they will never be taken seriously again.

How can you be so unselfaware to actually think it would work - have a fuck ton of plastic surgery done, including big breast implants, (yet find women's actual biology distasteful), pose naked, and then claim (sorry I'm laughing here) that it's empowering for women.

I need an incredulous emoji.