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I've been on this board for a while now and long enough to understand the issues and why women are so vocal about them and angry that our rights are threatened.
I'm frustrated reading on other threads, or on social media that this board is aggressive, shoots down discussion, and calls people names if their views don't match the majority. I can't say that I've seen that myself. All I see is intelligent discussion and persuasive arguments. Any goadiness is appropriately dealt with from what I've read as are any views that don't match reality. Maybe that's what upsets people: that their delusions are challenged with indisputable reality.
I'm still new to feminism and learning daily but I see women fighting for other women and prepared to get flak for that. I see some women who have been well and truly brainwashed by the trans movement and by men and the patriarchy in general. And that's the other criticism: that we are too focused on the trans issue. That makes me angry. The trans issue is the major one affecting women and girls at the moment and it's right that we are focused on it.
These complaints are coming from women who are calling themselves feminists and it baffles me completely that feminists can't understand the biggest threat to women and girls.
Now, I'm aware these so called feminists may well be trolls but I don't think they all are. How can some feminists be so opposed to other feminists passionately protecting their rights? Rights that are for ALL women.

Just quickly popping back in with a suggestion. Enjoy!

You might think posting Frozen videos is a cunning disguise but I see right through it. You're the secret man and I claim my £5.

(which contradicts you statement that But "I don't call people male unless I am very very sure indeed.) You have no idea

Exactly, yet another contradiction. It has to be being obtuse or twisting.

Or if you were giving an opinion on say taxes being spent on facilities for an ethnic minority for example, then even if you didn't belong to that ethnic minority I would say that your opinion is valid as a stake holder.

It would be valid to give your opinion on taxes being spent on things. Probably not so advisable to pontificate about why the ethnic minority in question could do without the facilities that they said they needed. And you're likely to get told to pipe down.

But calling out anyone for be anything on an ANONYMOUS forum is totally disingenuous.

They could be green and purple polka dots and you wouldn't have a clue. Unless they told you and even then they could be lying.

We still haven't heard if those offended by being called men would agree to mutual banniong of "insults", i.e. no calling posters transphobes or men

Ban all insults. If I think a post is transphobic I will report it.

There is no context in which being called transphobic is anything but a serious insult

Then the mods make that call. If it's transphobic the post will be deleted.

I don't see the need to name call at all. No need for any of it.

I'm secretly Walt Disney, back from the dead to see what the world has turned out like.

Not looking great so far.

Not looking great so far.

Indeed it's like that Morgan Freeman line at the end of Se7en: "the world is a fine place, and worth saving. I agree with the second part."

I can't tell you about your life, Ereshkigal. That's the point of an ANONYMOUS forum. I can quote how you've presented yourself on that forum.

I don't call people male unless I am very very sure indeed

Probably not so advisable to pontificate about why the ethnic minority in question could do without the facilities that they said they needed.

Never said that was ok. I said

Or if you were giving an opinion on say taxes being spent on facilities for an ethnic minority

Why add words in or twist what I said?

As a tax payer if an idea was put forward to provide X facilities for Y group all stake holders are entitled to voice an opinion, not only the group set to benefit from X.

This truly is the most ludicrous thread. I feel that I have ruined it by not using sufficient aggression in my enquiries about third gametes.

Where's the fucking third gamete?

There. That should sort it.

I can't tell you about your life, Ereshkigal. That's the point of an ANONYMOUS forum. I can quote how you've presented yourself on that forum.

I wasn't replying to you.

Why add words in or twist what I said?

Because yet again you're ignoring that there are different contexts. Sometimes it is appropriate to critique taxes being spent on sports facilities for ethnic minorities and sometimes you really should pipe down. And people will reasonably tell you to do so.

I will report posts that falsely claim transphobia
and I will also call out anyone who calls someone male for having a different view - I can't report that, since being called a man is not a reportable insult

Men are often not used to moderating their speech in this way to consider others' lived experiences as they're generally socialised to speak aloud whatever pops into their heads. So when women do this rightly or wrongly people sometimes read them as men.

Men do talk down to women about trans issues in this way. They will tell us that we aren't allowed boundaries and are being unkind.

Because yet again you're ignoring that there are different contexts. Sometimes it is appropriate to critique taxes being spent on sports facilities for ethnic minorities and sometimes you really should pipe down. And people will reasonably tell you to do so.

No you're ignoring the context.

The PP said that as a straight white person they would expect to be told to pipe down if they pontificated on an issue relating to black or gay people. My point is, that depends on the context. Yes in some scenarios it isn't appropriate. In others it is perfectly valid.

You are just adding to the list of "not in this scenario" yet you present it as an example of me being wrong and then posting so that others not reading the full thread will get the wrong end of the stick.

Why do that?

Men are often not used to moderating their speech in this way to consider others' lived experiences as they're generally socialised to speak aloud whatever pops into their heads. So when women do this rightly or wrongly people sometimes read them as men.

That is very stereotypical though isn't it?

Men speak in a certain way, women speak in a certain way? And you are enforcing those stereotypes?

That is very stereotypical though isn't it? Men speak in a certain way, women speak in a certain way? And you are enforcing those stereotypes?

Yes, that struck me too. Very stereotypical thinking there.

The problem with any post about any kind of transfobia etc is that is context and society driven, comments that historically would have been totally acceptable are now considered racist or sexist.

Someone is on the forefront of pointing that out and driving the discussion.

Are you not also describing persons male or female on the Asperger's/autism spectrum?

I can't report that, since being called a man is not a reportable insult

I do report it and the post is usually deleted. The insult is not being called a man- the insult is the attempt to invalidate another poster's point of view.

I am sure people have been insulted on here - it's a public forum. I can't help but wonder if the amount this happens is being over estimated by some posters. I just have slight suspicions of this because I notice they only pay any attention to posts they deem to be aggressive (or posts agreeing with them completely) and seem almost completely blind to anything else.

Again, this is a public forum, no one has any control over what other people say except the mods. I'm sure arguing with a large amount of people who hold similar views is intimidating, especially if some of those people use insults which greatly offend you. I can't stop it if someone has said they think you're a man so I don't know what you think the outcome of posting about it all day will be.

I'm going to stop checking in because New Who is about to start. Not meaning to give anyone "chills" but Eresh I'm exhausted on your behalf.

That is very stereotypical though isn't it? Men speak in a certain way, women speak in a certain way? And you are enforcing those stereotypes?

Yes, that struck me too. Very stereotypical thinking there

It is enforcing stereotypes.

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Don't take our word for it then. Just look at other threads. You will see it happening for yourself.

btw- Saying men tend to speak in a certain way is noting socialisation. Saying they are less of a man if they do not speak in a certain way is...the opposite of gender critical.

You are just adding to the list of "not in this scenario" yet you present it as an example of me being wrong and then posting so that others not reading the full thread will get the wrong end of the stick.

I'm doing nothing of the sort.

You originally asked why men shouldn't speak their brains about trans issues in discussions with women. No mention of context. My posts (and those of at least two others) were about what is and is not appropriate context first. Not yours. This is about the fourth time you've misunderstood me today. It's you who appears not to be posting in good faith.