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PerverseConverse · 07/10/2018 09:38

I've been on this board for a while now and long enough to understand the issues and why women are so vocal about them and angry that our rights are threatened.
I'm frustrated reading on other threads, or on social media that this board is aggressive, shoots down discussion, and calls people names if their views don't match the majority. I can't say that I've seen that myself. All I see is intelligent discussion and persuasive arguments. Any goadiness is appropriately dealt with from what I've read as are any views that don't match reality. Maybe that's what upsets people: that their delusions are challenged with indisputable reality.
I'm still new to feminism and learning daily but I see women fighting for other women and prepared to get flak for that. I see some women who have been well and truly brainwashed by the trans movement and by men and the patriarchy in general. And that's the other criticism: that we are too focused on the trans issue. That makes me angry. The trans issue is the major one affecting women and girls at the moment and it's right that we are focused on it.
These complaints are coming from women who are calling themselves feminists and it baffles me completely that feminists can't understand the biggest threat to women and girls.
Now, I'm aware these so called feminists may well be trolls but I don't think they all are. How can some feminists be so opposed to other feminists passionately protecting their rights? Rights that are for ALL women.

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BrownPaperTeddy · 07/10/2018 18:10

It's not outrage at being called a man.

It's outrage at being called a man only as a way of dismissing what I say.

Very like kids calling another child gay. Nothing wrong with being calked gay per se. But calling someone gay because you view it as an insult is entirely different isn't it?

It's the same word but the context and inference is everything.

BananaBonanza · 07/10/2018 18:11

couple of others who have mentioned in passing that they're men

And again being a man isn't a problem. Being told you can't possibly be a woman and hold that opinion or you must be a man to have tgat opinion an therefore have no basis for experience is

LangCleg · 07/10/2018 18:11

Is it me? Am I the secret man? Fnar. Aha.

I would tell you. But then I'd have to...

... oh, has this thread got ridiculous enough yet for me to get deleted if I finished that well known quotation?!

LassWiADelicateAir · 07/10/2018 18:12

in the light of the outrage people have expressed about being called a man

Another disingenuous post. The "outrage" is irritation at the motivation behind this calling out.

It is an attempt to invalidate an opinion because not being a woman the poster cannot be speaking from , to use a phrase much used on FWR, the lived reality of being a woman.

Ereshkigal · 07/10/2018 18:12

I would wonder if someone said there was no need for single sex spaces and that men were no danger to women
However, they could also be very lucky / privileged, so I wouldn't ask their sex

My position exactly. We all have these perceptions. But I don't call people male unless I am very very sure indeed. So very rarely.

LangCleg · 07/10/2018 18:12

Is there any news on a third gamete or are we concentrating solely on tone policing?

VerbeenaBeeks · 07/10/2018 18:13

"Wrongly perceived" = not acting, thinking or speaking in the way a certain group of posters think is appropriate to indicate a poster is a woman. It is ironic given how strongly these same posters rail against the constraints they say a patriarchical society imposes on what being a woman means yet do the same themselves

Exactly, you're welcome to post as a woman but only if you're our type of woman thinking.. How is that any better being told what and how to think by other women than what and how to think by any men?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 07/10/2018 18:13

I kind of agree BrownPapertTeddy

However

I am very white and very straight

If I decided to pontificate on issues facing black and ethnic minority people, or gay people, I think it would be reasonable to people to tell me to wind my neck in

don't you?

Ereshkigal · 07/10/2018 18:14

Lang

BrownPaperTeddy · 07/10/2018 18:15

Or because people genuinely wrongly thought you were a man and that you should pipe down

That makes it ok then? Even if I were a man I should pipe down?

VerbeenaBeeks · 07/10/2018 18:15

And again being a man isn't a problem. Being told you can't possibly be a woman and hold that opinion or you must be a man to have tgat opinion an therefore have no basis for experience is

It's not outrage at being called a man. It's outrage at being called a man only as a way of dismissing what I say.

Yes and yes, can say it over and over but I don't think it'll ever sink in.

BananaBonanza · 07/10/2018 18:15

But I don't call people male unless I am very very sure indeed. So very rarely.

And yet a number of woman say they have been incorrectly called a man....

But then maybe I am the secret man on this thread?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 07/10/2018 18:15

still back on the tone policing atm lang, with a side order of I don't like it when people disagree with me

I managed to get in a quote from Cabin Pressure which I enjoyed

VerbeenaBeeks · 07/10/2018 18:16

But then maybe I am the secret man on this thread?

Or me, or Teddy?Maybe we're ALL men

Ereshkigal · 07/10/2018 18:16

That makes it ok then? Even if I were a man I should pipe down?

Read Bernard's post just now.

Ereshkigal · 07/10/2018 18:17

And yet a number of woman say they have been incorrectly called a man....

Not by me though

AngryAttackKittens · 07/10/2018 18:18

Just quickly popping back in with a suggestion. Enjoy!

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 07/10/2018 18:18

oh unfortunate cross post with Eresh.

I think she's referring to my post at 18:13, not the one where I'm being a sarky cahhh

Ereshkigal · 07/10/2018 18:18

So we don't have any further confusion I've bolded the relevant part Teddy:

If I decided to pontificate on issues facing black and ethnic minority people, or gay people, I think it would be reasonable to people to tell me to wind my neck in

BigChocFrenzy · 07/10/2018 18:18

We still haven't heard if those offended by being called men would agree to mutual banniong of "insults", i.e. no calling posters transphobes or men

btw, being called a man can be dismissive in this context; it is disrespectful and it shouldn't happen

However, being called a transphobe is serious, as it can mean banning, career ruin etc if taken seriously

There is no context in which being called transphobic is anything but a serious insult

Ereshkigal · 07/10/2018 18:19

X post again Bernard

Stanmorevisit · 07/10/2018 18:19

Not by me though

Unless you've never called out a man (which contradicts you statement that But "I don't call people male unless I am very very sure indeed.) You have no idea

BrownPaperTeddy · 07/10/2018 18:19

I am very white and very straight

If I decided to pontificate on issues facing black and ethnic minority people, or gay people, I think it would be reasonable to people to tell me to wind my neck in

don't you?

Not automatically no. If you, as a white, straight person (and everyone was aware of that) started to pontificate on how others should act or re act or feel then yes you probably should wind your neck in.

If you were posting on an anonymous forum and were telling everyone that you were black or gay then no you shouldn't be told to wind your neck in.

Or if you were giving an opinion on say taxes being spent on facilities for an ethnic minority for example, then even if you didn't belong to that ethnic minority I would say that your opinion is valid as a stake holder.

Ereshkigal · 07/10/2018 18:20

I'm pretty sure I haven't called anyone a man who hadn't already announced it in a while. But do tell me about my life, it's fascinating.

SpannerInTheWorks · 07/10/2018 18:22

A man posted in this thread and said something that made it obvious he was a man

As in "as a bloke I think"

Not as in he stated an opinion I disagreed with

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