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I've been on this board for a while now and long enough to understand the issues and why women are so vocal about them and angry that our rights are threatened.
I'm frustrated reading on other threads, or on social media that this board is aggressive, shoots down discussion, and calls people names if their views don't match the majority. I can't say that I've seen that myself. All I see is intelligent discussion and persuasive arguments. Any goadiness is appropriately dealt with from what I've read as are any views that don't match reality. Maybe that's what upsets people: that their delusions are challenged with indisputable reality.
I'm still new to feminism and learning daily but I see women fighting for other women and prepared to get flak for that. I see some women who have been well and truly brainwashed by the trans movement and by men and the patriarchy in general. And that's the other criticism: that we are too focused on the trans issue. That makes me angry. The trans issue is the major one affecting women and girls at the moment and it's right that we are focused on it.
These complaints are coming from women who are calling themselves feminists and it baffles me completely that feminists can't understand the biggest threat to women and girls.
Now, I'm aware these so called feminists may well be trolls but I don't think they all are. How can some feminists be so opposed to other feminists passionately protecting their rights? Rights that are for ALL women.

a man can still have an opinion on women's issues

Yes, but sometimes their opinion isn't particularly relevant.

What would you like to be acknowledged?

That a lot of posters have listened to you and acknowledged what you're describing. When you said 'Any attempts by myself and other posters to describe the aggressiveness or name calling is met with a collective - no that Doesn't happen' I didn't think it was entirely true. Not everyone had that response but you ignore the people who have listened.

Obviously as a woman your opinion is relevant, no one is saying otherwise. It's just that apparently some posters took you to be a man.

I haven't noticed a man posting on here

I can assure you at least one has crept in

we mainly get them in the winter months

we think the cold drives them in

(thanks John Finnemore)

No one. My statement makes sense in the context of yours. If a poster is called a man it is because they are wrongly perceived as being male. I don't know why you got called a man Teddy but they are some of the reasons I would personally assume someone was one.

Still making no sense to me, sorry. Some of the reasons you would assume that I was called a man that relate to your post?

So you think that I was called a man because I was arrogant, ignorant and with no knowledge of women's issues? Is that what you are saying?

So are you saying you think I am a man?

I haven't noticed a man posting on here.

So you can tell?

i have WATCHED this. And its very rare to see a poster called a man

You don't look very hard then.

It is used often- often in conjunction with "if not a man, then a handmaiden or an MRA"

There is one poster, who possibly might be banned, who used it regularly.

So you can tell?

No I can't tell. Even if a poster were to say "I am a man" I have no way of knowing that is true.

So I wouldn't attempt to dismiss anyone by calling them something that I have no way of verifying.

So you think that I was called a man because I was arrogant, ignorant and with no knowledge of women's issues? Is that what you are saying?

So are you saying you think I am a man?

No. FFS. I was talking about men posting on trans issues. I would PERSONALLY think someone was a man if they came across as male, and if they were arrogant and ignorant of women's issues like Harrop et al. I don't know why you PERSONALLY were called a man. What made people think that or whether they did indeed think that.

I was talking about men posting on trans issues.
Why can't men post on trans issues though?

No I can't tell

Then why did you say "I haven't noticed a man posting on here"? They don't always preface every statement with "Man here".

I can assure you at least one has crept in

we mainly get them in the winter months

How do you KNOW? That's the whole point we're making, Who are you referring to here?

Will Liberal feminists agree to stop calling us transphobic and call out others who do so,
if Radfems stop calling them men and we police that too ?

Why can't men post on trans issues though?

I didn't say they couldn't. Just that it is arrogant to tell women what we are allowed to think about it when it affects them much less.

How do you KNOW? That's the whole point we're making, Who are you referring to here?

A man posted in this thread and said something that made it obvious he was a man

How do you KNOW? That's the whole point we're making, Who are you referring to here?

It is quite likely she knows the poster is a man from posts on another thread.

Oh did he? Missed it.

I know because I'm a regular and he's previously said he's a man

in the light of the outrage people have expressed about being called a man it would feel like a forcible outing to name him, so I won't

I can also really tell by reading his posts

there are a couple of others who have mentioned in passing that they're men and I've thought hmm, I wouldn't have clocked you.

Then why did you say "I haven't noticed a man posting on here"? They don't always preface every statement with "Man here".

Because another poster said that a man had posted here, without incident, in relation to me not being offended to have been called a man.

My reply was simply an oh right. I didn't notice. Not that that has anything to do with me being called a man, which was done as an abusive tactic.

A man is perfectly entitled to post,
but if he says women should just get over it, no need for single sex spaces, men are no danger to women anyway ..
then many of us will think he has no idea

If a poster is called a man it is because they are wrongly perceived as being male

"Wrongly perceived" = not acting, thinking or speaking in the way a certain group of posters think is appropriate to indicate a poster is a woman. It is ironic given how strongly these same posters rail against the constraints they say a patriarchical society imposes on what being a woman means yet do the same themselves.

Here is an example. Not long after I joined I said on a thread about an obvious trans woman using a busy loo in a department store that, given there were plenty of people around, what was the problem. This drew the response that I was a man; I had so much to learn about being a woman. Because obviously a "real woman" would not be comfortable with this.

For the record I usually report "you're a man" posts, whether made about me or other posters.

Not that that has anything to do with me being called a man, which was done as an abusive tactic.

Or because people genuinely wrongly thought you were a man and that you should pipe down.

A man posted in this thread and said something that made it obvious he was a man

Yeah,that's where the argument "never really happens, so rare for people to get called a man" falls down. This, and even with people saying that they have had it happen to them.
Being assumed to be a man does happen, even on this thread!

I would wonder if someone said there was no need for single sex spaces and that men were no danger to women
However, they could also be very lucky / privileged, so I wouldn't ask their sex

Or because people genuinely wrongly thought you were a man and that you should pipe down

Men are welcome on MN too, even if you wish they'd rather go away.