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I've been on this board for a while now and long enough to understand the issues and why women are so vocal about them and angry that our rights are threatened.
I'm frustrated reading on other threads, or on social media that this board is aggressive, shoots down discussion, and calls people names if their views don't match the majority. I can't say that I've seen that myself. All I see is intelligent discussion and persuasive arguments. Any goadiness is appropriately dealt with from what I've read as are any views that don't match reality. Maybe that's what upsets people: that their delusions are challenged with indisputable reality.
I'm still new to feminism and learning daily but I see women fighting for other women and prepared to get flak for that. I see some women who have been well and truly brainwashed by the trans movement and by men and the patriarchy in general. And that's the other criticism: that we are too focused on the trans issue. That makes me angry. The trans issue is the major one affecting women and girls at the moment and it's right that we are focused on it.
These complaints are coming from women who are calling themselves feminists and it baffles me completely that feminists can't understand the biggest threat to women and girls.
Now, I'm aware these so called feminists may well be trolls but I don't think they all are. How can some feminists be so opposed to other feminists passionately protecting their rights? Rights that are for ALL women.

Strange then that the same insults are used by everyone? You're a man, straw man, hand maiden, we see you

Yep, nearly whole thread with you being a lone voice.
Lets see:

• man
• TRA
• MRA
• We see you
• "Ooh, fine sealion pic there"
• letting down your sisters
• prove you're a woman by telling us how it feels like to give birth" Then backclapping each other as you've all cleverly spotted the man. Which many are just ordinary women.

Just a few examples.

There's a few provably bad statistics in tge gender critucal argument that are presented as "facts". Have given links to the evidence. That isn't well liked at all, I can't be bothered to post everytime why they are wrong, so the "facts" just continue to circulate.

The vast majority of genderist statistics are false or used in a misleading way. That is the nature of internet debate. I've done the same as you. Provided links which are ignored and people cherry pick.

Strange then that the same insults are used by everyone? You're a man, straw man, hand maiden, we see you.#

I have never used any of those terms. So no, they are not used by everyone. handmaiden is used a lot that I see though..I don't feel its particularly helpful to discussion, but yet again, what other women chose to say is up to them.

Saying straw man is not calling you a man either. Its not an insult. If this is what you are taking as people calling you a man, then it makes sense that you think its widespread. It means basically, you are arguing against something noone said

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

I guess the thread has moved on, but here's the OED definition for Celsius:

Of or denoting a scale of temperature on which water freezes at 0° and boils at 100° under standard conditions.

It just means that the adjective Celsius can be used in two ways.

Of a scale of temperature: The temperature outside is 15° Celsius.
Denoting a scale of temperature: The Celsius scale is very easy to understand.

Just like the adjective female can be used in two ways:

Of a sex: Female horses are called mares.
Denoting a sex: Members of the female sex are at a higher risk of violence.

In the context of the billboard, the word "female" is used as a noun, not an adjective. The relevant noun definition is: "a female person", which is an instance of the of a sex use, not the denoting a sex use.

MRA TRA

We should not point out posters who are obvious MRA/TRAs then?! This is ridiculous.

I have seen people who may not be TRAs called TRAs though on occasion. But again, its rarely and I am online a stupid amount of hours every day.

We should not point out posters who are obvious MRA/TRAs then?! This is ridiculous.

How are they obvious though? I'm neither. I've been called both.

prove you're a woman by telling us how it feels like to give birth

I have NEVER ever seen that said. No idea where you are seeing this stuff, as I read maybe 80% of threads on here and have never ever seen that

There's a few provably bad statistics in tge gender critucal argument that are presented as "facts". Have given links to the evidence. That isn't well liked at all, I can't be bothered to post everytime why they are wrong, so the "facts" just continue to circulate.

I think there's a definite need for verified sources, statistics etc.

I do agree that a great deal of misinformation gets passed on unquestioned (in general I mean and especially at this point in history)

I'm not sure why someone wouldn't challenge something they knew (or believed) to be incorrect.

Certainly, I would be very keen to have anything that I linked challenged so that I could critically evaluate it and if neccesary retract or amend.

But you say its only a couple of posters calling people men?

It's not only a couple of posters though.

It is lots and on lots of threads.

Watch for yourself if you don't believe us. Watch and see the responses when someone posts a counter argument.

Some posters use some of them sometimes

This is disingenuous and you know it.

A thread earlier they were playing FWR bingo - that's how prevalent it is. We all know the insults that are going to be chucked before we say anything.

How are they obvious though? I'm neither. I've been called both.

Generally by the utter lack of regard for female people and their rights/safety. As I said, I have seen the odd poster who may not be a TRA being called a TRA though. But again 9 times out of 10, obvious MRA/TRA is obvious.

I have NEVER ever seen that said. No idea where you are seeing this stuff, as I read maybe 80% of threads on here and have never ever seen that

It was said to ME. That's why I saw it and remember it.

Watch for yourself if you don't believe us. Watch and see the responses when someone posts a counter argument.

i have WATCHED this. And its very rare to see a poster called a man.

It was said to ME. That's why I saw it and remember it.

Link?

It was said to ME. That's why I saw it and remember it.

On a FWR thread?

Obviously stuff like that is wrong. No issue saying that. But its not common, as implied. Yes it may have been said once to you, which is shit. But its being made out as if on every thread there are multiple posters saying stuff like that, and telling everyone they are men, etc. Which is just not true.

And its very rare to see a poster called a man.

It really isn't, but if you're posting from the majority view you won't see it as much.

Link?

Can't even remember what thread it was otherwise I would, but it certainly did happen.

Saying straw man is not calling you a man either. Its not an insult. If this is what you are taking as people calling you a man, then it makes sense that you think its widespread
No that isn't what I'm referring to. As I said I'm referring to being called a man repeatedly. Being called he repeatedly. Being told that I'm lying about giving birth or having a miscarriage because I'm a man.

We should not point out posters who are obvious MRA/TRAs then?! This is ridiculous.

I've been called these too and I'm not. Maybe you should be a bit more careful about who you label?

I'm not sure why someone wouldn't challenge something they knew (or believed) to be incorrect.

Because I've done it and been called a handmaiden or a man too often?
Even when I've linked back to the original study the dodgy statistic is taken from...

This is disingenuous and you know it.

Its not disingenous and please don't tell me I know something when this is not true.

It really isn't, but if you're posting from the majority view you won't see it as much.

Erm, how would posting from a majority view mean I do not read the same posts as everyone else?

And as I said, I often am NOT in the majority view. Especially when I first started posting here and had a very MRA type outlook on feminism. Still, in over 3 years, I have been called male once. And I disagree with posters a hell of a lit. Oddly enough, even when namechanged so people don't recognise me, they are still respectful when disagreeing strongly with me.

I would link to all of the threads where it's been said to me but they've been deleted.

It is said and you all choosing not to believe it - isn't that gaslighting?

No it isnt. Gaslighting is very specific, and its not disagreeing with someone.

I've been called these too and I'm not. Maybe you should be a bit more careful about who you label?

I only call VERY obvious MRAs MRAs. The midnight visitors we get that tell us how very nasty all feminists are and how we are transphobic and horrible and so on.

Mind I have started calling TRAs, MRAs. as they are the same people with the exact same views.

But its being made out as if on every thread there are multiple posters saying stuff like that, and telling everyone they are men, etc. Which is just not true

No, people aren't saying there are multiple posters saying the same thing that they are men etc.
They''re saying it's like a gang mentality.

Poster 1 - "Must be a man."
Poster 2 - "yeah, so obvious"
etc
then a picture of a sealion thrown or something. That's not disagreeing with a viewpoint, it feels like a personal attack pile on for having a differing opinion.

Every thread where you have been called a man has been deleted? Thats really odd, as its rare for whole threads to be deleted.