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I've been on this board for a while now and long enough to understand the issues and why women are so vocal about them and angry that our rights are threatened.
I'm frustrated reading on other threads, or on social media that this board is aggressive, shoots down discussion, and calls people names if their views don't match the majority. I can't say that I've seen that myself. All I see is intelligent discussion and persuasive arguments. Any goadiness is appropriately dealt with from what I've read as are any views that don't match reality. Maybe that's what upsets people: that their delusions are challenged with indisputable reality.
I'm still new to feminism and learning daily but I see women fighting for other women and prepared to get flak for that. I see some women who have been well and truly brainwashed by the trans movement and by men and the patriarchy in general. And that's the other criticism: that we are too focused on the trans issue. That makes me angry. The trans issue is the major one affecting women and girls at the moment and it's right that we are focused on it.
These complaints are coming from women who are calling themselves feminists and it baffles me completely that feminists can't understand the biggest threat to women and girls.
Now, I'm aware these so called feminists may well be trolls but I don't think they all are. How can some feminists be so opposed to other feminists passionately protecting their rights? Rights that are for ALL women.

Something was said another board but it must be the fault of women on the feminist board?

I am a women, so are u saying because you or me cannot feel it must mean it doesnt happen?

what you're not understanding is that now a lot of us are simply staying away from the FWR threads so it's just everyone "on message" posting in agreement with each other.

Its very rare that there is a FWR thread where there isn't a difference of opinion.

The suggestion that 'everyone's on message' is a bit disingenous.
As someone commented earlier, not a hive mind.

You seriously cannot be this hard thinking?

Yet its posters on FWR that insult people. Indeed.

It makes no sense at all to have an issue with AIBU, but blame FWR. It doesn;t make someone hard of thinking to ask why on earth FWR is being blames for AIBU stuff.

But the usual suspects aren't here.

So it is just a couple of posters who do it. Yet FWR as a whole is blamed.

Apparently so. Everything else is the fault of feminists, after all.

It's the twisting again, nobody has said that at ALL!
Something was said another board but it must be the fault of women on the feminist board?

Are some really so blind and incapable of opening their minds a teeny tiny bit to actually see what people are saying? It's amazing the closed upness.

Its very rare that there is a FWR thread where there isn't a difference of opinion.

Quite. The idea that we all agree with each other on everything is hilarious to me

I get so many good debates from women on this board, with stuff I disagree with them on. Sometimes they change my mind, sometimes not..but I have not gone a day in years where I didn't disagree with people on here. And thats goes way back to before self ID became the biggest threat to womens rights there has ever been, so trans threads overtook FWR. Obviously when there is such a large threat most posts will be about that. But those who complain about there being a lot of trans threads never seem to start threads on other topics, which are apparently more important. That doesn't make any sense to me tbh.

I am a women, so are u saying because you or me cannot feel it must mean it doesnt happen?

I'm saying they have no way of knowing what being a woman feels like. They are male. They can only know that they don't feel like what they think being male should feel like. That in no way makes them female.

Why are you blaming FWR then?

Because the post on AIBU was very quickly taken over by the FWR posters and then the abuse began.

As I said, I have large differences of opinions with people on here, I don;t assume that because they disagree with me (sometimes strongly) that means I am not welcome. Thats ridiculous!

So if a group of us all now ganged up on you, called you names repeatedly, dismissed any arguments you made by calling you a man then you would feel welcome? You would want to carry on engaging when there is no point because no one is listening to you? They're all too busy congratulating each other on spotting the man?

*We've learnt that we aren't welcome.

I also don't understand this. Since when is someone not welcome, on an open forum, because they disagree with stuff some posters say? As I said, I have large differences of opinions with people on here, I don;t assume that because they disagree with me (sometimes strongly) that means I am not welcome. Thats ridiculous!*
I did not feel welcome on the threads i posted on. I didnt feel comfortable posting, i am posting now as i feel comfortable mainly i guess, if feel hounded off or picked apart it will prove my point!

So on a thread in notoriously volatile AIBU which has different posting standards to the rest of the site and people are frequently rude and insulting, it was only the FWR posters who you had issues with?

We disagree with each other all the time. The only thing I think there is pretty much a consensus on is...that self ID is a ridiculous idea that will be abused to fuck. Other topics, theres always disagreements between posters.
I agree. Even within debates about gender and trans there are different opinions.

I think it suits some people to repeatedly misrepresent some ideas on FWR though.
E.g.
Posters on FWR say the problem with self id is it will enable predatory men to gain access to women's spaces without any question. This can be massively abused by those who hate women.

Poster talking about FWR- They are all horrible on FWR because they're obsessed with arguing trans women will sexually assault them

The conflation of TRA with transpeople is one of the most annoying things to me (along with denying the TRA agenda exists & people are somehow hating on the Hayley from Corries of the world).

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You're making some quite strong allegations eg hard thinking, blind, incapable of opening minds etc.

Its a little anomalous given the complaints on the thread that many (?) regular FWR posters name-call and are agressive etc

Because the post on AIBU was very quickly taken over by the FWR posters and then the abuse began.

Exactly, but they refuse to accept that though, there is literally no point ,it's like shouting into a black hole as someone said upthread.

The suggestion that 'everyone's on message' is a bit disingenous.
Strange then that the same insults are used by everyone? You're a man, straw man, hand maiden, we see you.

It makes no sense at all to have an issue with AIBU, but blame FWR. It doesn;t make someone hard of thinking to ask why on earth FWR is being blames for AIBU stuff.

See my post above. The same insults and put downs used on the FWR and AIBU and site chat this morning.

By the same prevalent posters.

Don't forget "posting from a crib sheet".

So if a group of us all now ganged up on you, called you names repeatedly, dismissed any arguments you made by calling you a man then you would feel welcome? You would want to carry on engaging when there is no point because no one is listening to you? They're all too busy congratulating each other on spotting the man?

This with bells on.

did not feel welcome on the threads i posted on. I didnt feel comfortable posting

What are you proposing should be different?

Pretty sure I'm the only woman who's been called a man on this thread.

So on a thread in notoriously volatile AIBU which has different posting standards to the rest of the site and people are frequently rude and insulting, it was only the FWR posters who you had issues with

That was 1 example. On AIBU. All of the others on FWR. Apart from this morning which was site stuff.

And yes it was the FWR posters because they were the only ones on there.

I can read their names you know.

I'm saying they have no way of knowing what being a woman feels like. They are male. They can only know that they don't feel like what they think being male should feel like. That in no way makes them female.

I would think that if a man feels they are in wrong body and doesnt feel comfortable as a man and then feels confortable once becoming a women then that was right course of action.

Strange then that the same insults are used by everyone? You're a man, straw man, hand maiden, we see you.

No.
This is not true.
I have never used those words.
Many posters do not use them ever.
Some posters use some of them sometimes.

Seen it time and time again on FWR boards. Woman told they can't possibly think or feel the way they do and be a woman, or if they are they are a handmaiden.

There's a few provably bad statistics in tge gender critucal argument that are presented as "facts". Have given links to the evidence. That isn't well liked at all, I can't be bothered to post everytime why they are wrong, so the "facts" just continue to circulate.

FWR is a pretty self selecting bunch, what's amazing is seeing people argue the opposite

So if a group of us all now ganged up on you, called you names repeatedly, dismissed any arguments you made by calling you a man then you would feel welcome? You would want to carry on engaging when there is no point because no one is listening to you? They're all too busy congratulating each other on spotting the man?

But you say its only a couple of posters calling people men?

And no, that would not make me feel unwelcome. It would piss me off a bit, but I wouldn't stop posting as feminism is important to me so no way would I be put off by a couple of people being dicks.

That was 1 example. On AIBU. All of the others on FWR. Apart from this morning which was site stuff.

You implied it was one thread. On AIBU.