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I've been on this board for a while now and long enough to understand the issues and why women are so vocal about them and angry that our rights are threatened.
I'm frustrated reading on other threads, or on social media that this board is aggressive, shoots down discussion, and calls people names if their views don't match the majority. I can't say that I've seen that myself. All I see is intelligent discussion and persuasive arguments. Any goadiness is appropriately dealt with from what I've read as are any views that don't match reality. Maybe that's what upsets people: that their delusions are challenged with indisputable reality.
I'm still new to feminism and learning daily but I see women fighting for other women and prepared to get flak for that. I see some women who have been well and truly brainwashed by the trans movement and by men and the patriarchy in general. And that's the other criticism: that we are too focused on the trans issue. That makes me angry. The trans issue is the major one affecting women and girls at the moment and it's right that we are focused on it.
These complaints are coming from women who are calling themselves feminists and it baffles me completely that feminists can't understand the biggest threat to women and girls.
Now, I'm aware these so called feminists may well be trolls but I don't think they all are. How can some feminists be so opposed to other feminists passionately protecting their rights? Rights that are for ALL women.

Its easy to tell is a poster is a man. The MRA posters we get very very often are obvious men. You can generally tell someone is a man, from their lack of concern for womens rights, their dismissal of womens genuine fears..that kind of thing. I can well believe women get called men on here sometimes. When I first started posting I was told I had a 'very male attitude' which I guess is calling me a man, or a possible man. But I understand the reasoning for that as I knew fuck all about feminism back then and was VERY 'centre the men' with my opinions. It took a long time and a lot of soul searching (that sounds so corny..) for me to udnerstan d I had a LOT of internalized misogyny and yes, was basically caring a lot more about men than women. And thinking 'feminism' was about 'equality for all' so feminists should be fighting for stuff men want, basically. Now I see feminism is about female people. Yes the end goal is equality (or equity) but its about fighting for female people.

So yeah I can well believe some female posters are called men, from the odd poster. But what I don't understand is how this odd poster saying stuff like that means FWR as a whole is nasty and shuts down opinions and such. As someone said, we are not a hive mind. So one poster saying something does not translate into the whole board being that way. As for sealion stuff, I have only EVER seen that used on obvious sealions, or concern trolls. Maybe it is childish to call stuff like that out, but again I am not here to police other women.

I might also point out that I have large differences of opinion with many posters on here. I have had a load of negative replies to stuff I have said. And I genuinely do not see this as 'shouting down' or whatever. Yes it can be a bit overwhelming having so many posters to reply back to..but when that happens I just..get on with it. I understand that others think differently to me. Such is the brilliance of this forum tbh. People can disagree without abusing each other. Yes sometimes posters state their views strongly, but so do I. And again, I cannot imagine a forum dominated by men to have so many people trying to police what they say.

That is the main thing that I take away from my experience here. That women are just as bad as men for shutting down other women.

Blimey - as sweeping generalisations go, that's a corker.

That's fine. They do not become a different sex though.

So if they do not "become" a different sex they are not entitled to use a different sex when explaining who they are?

That thread was deleted but I see many of the posters around. I won't post now on any thread where they are, even though I've name changed now.

Which thread was it? Surely if it was an FWR thread and you're posting on this FWR thread that means they are not here? And that therefore FWR is not a hive mind?

@VerbeenaBeeks

That's what my husband suggested in the end. Honestly, if it wasn't so horrible it would be laughable.

It was literally right back to the playground with the cool gang picking on someone else.

So if they do not "become" a different sex they are not entitled to use a different sex when explaining who they are?

No. Because they have no way of knowing what being a member of the opposite sex would feel like.

So if they do not "become" a different sex they are not entitled to use a different sex when explaining who they are?

Indeed. You cannot "become" a different sex. Biologically impossible.

So if they do not "become" a different sex they are not entitled to use a different sex when explaining who they are?

Its pretty clear that the fundemental issue is being able to describe and name sex as well as gender identity.

Both can be respected. They are though substantively different things.

It is at the heart of so many relevent and important issues.

I might also point out that I have large differences of opinion with many posters on here. I have had a load of negative replies to stuff I have said. And I genuinely do not see this as 'shouting down' or whatever. Yes it can be a bit overwhelming having so many posters to reply back to..but when that happens I just..get on with it.

I should have added to this bit though, that the very first time this happened, I was almost in tears. It was not on FWR, it was on AIBU and people tore strips off me! I had like 300 replies telling me I was a dick basically. I felt awful. Then I realized, that posting on a forum as busy as this..well you should expect it really.

So yeah I can well believe some female posters are called men, from the odd poster. But what I don't understand is how this odd poster saying stuff like that means FWR as a whole is nasty and shuts down opinions and such

Because it isn't just the odd poster doing it.

And what you're not understanding is that now a lot of us are simply staying away from the FWR threads so it's just everyone "on message" posting in agreement with each other.

Mist of us that disagree are staying away so no, you probably don't see much of it now.

We've learnt that we aren't welcome.

Yes exactly rowan

The thing that i dont understand is if a transperson feels they are a transperson (born in wrong body for example) and some people on here explain that basiclly what they feel is wrong should they then just live as the sex they were born even if they makes then deeply depressed or unhappy? They have no right to live as opposite sex?

Because it isn't just the odd poster doing it.

Have you been called a man on this thread?

Nobody is saying they have been called a man on this thread, are you trying to miss the point on purpose?

Would being gay be "biologically" right as humans r here to procreate and obviously being gay you can't naturally procreate. Thats a genuine question

@Ereshkigal
Actually it was AIBU.

And since the other day I've hidden the FWR board although this one is still showing on my active thread.

They have no right to live as opposite sex?

They can't "live as the opposite sex". It's not that they "have no right to". They are not the opposite sex. It's up to them how they choose to express and present themselves. But in terms of sex based rights there is a conflict.

But chicken how can you actually know what being a woman feels like ?
If you are a guy
I can’t imagine what being a guy is like

And what you're not understanding is that now a lot of us are simply staying away from the FWR threads so it's just everyone "on message" posting in agreement with each other.

But its not just people agreeing with each other, at all. I know a lot of posters like to think that, but I don't understand why. We disagree with each other all the time. The only thing I think there is pretty much a consensus on is...that self ID is a ridiculous idea that will be abused to fuck. Other topics, theres always disagreements between posters.

Actually it was AIBU.

Why are you blaming FWR then?

It happens all over, not just on here but you're obviously not willing to accept that.

We've learnt that we aren't welcome.

I also don't understand this. Since when is someone not welcome, on an open forum, because they disagree with stuff some posters say? As I said, I have large differences of opinions with people on here, I don;t assume that because they disagree with me (sometimes strongly) that means I am not welcome. Thats ridiculous!

Why are you blaming FWR? What the fuck has AIBU got to do with it, or "all over"?

Have you been called a man on this thread?
Not on this thread no.

But the usual suspects aren't here.

And it's not just me saying it. Several threads have appeared over the weekend with people saying the same thing.

People are being prevented from posting. Not because of robust argument but because of name calling etc.

Because it happens on the feminist boards the most but spills out into other board.,
You seriously cannot be this hard thinking?