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I've been on this board for a while now and long enough to understand the issues and why women are so vocal about them and angry that our rights are threatened.
I'm frustrated reading on other threads, or on social media that this board is aggressive, shoots down discussion, and calls people names if their views don't match the majority. I can't say that I've seen that myself. All I see is intelligent discussion and persuasive arguments. Any goadiness is appropriately dealt with from what I've read as are any views that don't match reality. Maybe that's what upsets people: that their delusions are challenged with indisputable reality.
I'm still new to feminism and learning daily but I see women fighting for other women and prepared to get flak for that. I see some women who have been well and truly brainwashed by the trans movement and by men and the patriarchy in general. And that's the other criticism: that we are too focused on the trans issue. That makes me angry. The trans issue is the major one affecting women and girls at the moment and it's right that we are focused on it.
These complaints are coming from women who are calling themselves feminists and it baffles me completely that feminists can't understand the biggest threat to women and girls.
Now, I'm aware these so called feminists may well be trolls but I don't think they all are. How can some feminists be so opposed to other feminists passionately protecting their rights? Rights that are for ALL women.

Is this MTF trans person a woman, Verbeena ?

"comment on their posts be forbidden"

There is a difference between commenting on what someone is saying, and 100 posts criticising a person for how they look and what a "self deluded twit" they are. It was pulled, and as I am frequently reminded the transphobic stuff does get pulled.

The problem is, if you defend or partake in that kind of behaviour then other people will be less inclined to share a platform with you - it damages the cause. Just like all someone would have to say to seriously damage Posie Parker is that she tweeted all trans people should be sterilized. You can defend it however you like but to most people it is indefensible and will make them write her off as an extremist.

Nothing wrong with stating views. Everything wrong with attacking other posters saying they're a man or the favourite "we see you" trotted out.
Maybe there are a lot of trolls, I can believe it. Actual women getting "we see you" etc and name called by others, whether it man or MRA or whatever, that's not the same as stating views. It drives people away so you're only left with your radical echo chamber.

There is an anti trans current hidden under any legit self ID concerns on here

What do you mean by 'legit self id concerns'?

At what point does someone stop being a 'genuine transwoman' and start being a 'self id-er' that you would have concerns about and exclude from your definition of woman?

the issue is if people dont feel comforable enough to post u wont have people come on here to post thats how they were made to feel

Exactly, as I said you're just left with the more extremes all agreeing with each other.

The calling someone a man thing, I have seen. But 9 times out of 10, its aimed at an obvious man

Well I've had it. Multiple times it was being said to me. Constant referrals to me as "he" , you're a man, then I became a hand maiden, then a man again. When I posted things about a miscarriage I was told I was lying, that I was a troll, that I was a man.

How do you counter that? How shall I prove I'm not a man? It's just a lazy way of shutting down an argument.

The calling someone a man thing, I have seen. But 9 times out of 10, its aimed at an obvious man

How do you even know it's an obvious man? I've had it and said several on this thread have too. There's literally no way of "proving" you're not, and like hell I'm going to go into describing what it feels like to give birth to prove like I was once asked by some (get to fuck, lol, no I'm not over-sharing that on the internet as even if I did it'd never be enough!)

@VerbeenaBeeks

Even when I did they said I was lying. How can you prove it? You can't and they know it. It's just an easy way to shut you up.

Is this the 'behold a man has arrived' picture?

I thought this was used throughout the MN site and was usually posted when 'mansplaining' seemed to be going on?

Question for those who (not those who only have a problem with self ID like myself) but those who don’t think trans people are ‘real’ effectively and cannot change sex.

Why do you think these people are transgender? If it’s not real, not a ‘birth defect’ that they weren’t born in the wrong body and suffering with gender dysphoria. Why do they do it?

and cannot change sex.

This isn't a belief with other equally valid opposing beliefs. It is a scientific fact. Have you acknowledged that you misunderstood the dictionary yet?

those who don’t think trans people are ‘real’ effectively and cannot change sex.

This seems to be another conflation.

I don't think anyone (ever?) has said people who identify as transgender aren't real.

That humans can't change sex is a separate issue.

Even when I did they said I was lying. How can you prove it? You can't and they know it. It's just an easy way to shut you up

Exactly, in your case you did share and got accused of lying for your troubles - it's never enough. You're still a man out to try and cause shit.

This isn't a belief with other equally valid opposing beliefs. It is a scientific fact. Have you acknowledged that you misunderstood the dictionary yet?

Nope I didn’t misinterpret anything. Thanks for asking though. What’s your answer to my question or would you like to continue mansplaining?

Why do you think these people are transgender? If it’s not real, not a ‘birth defect’ that they weren’t born in the wrong body and suffering with gender dysphoria. Why do they do it?

I do believe some people have gender dysphoria. I don't believe that there is such a thing as "being born in the wrong body".

Humans cannot change sex. That doesn’t mean people can’t feel things that are at odds with reality. It just means what they feel is not grounded in reality. Trans people exist but no one can change sex.

I suspect the root cause of all the dysphoric disorders will be similar. A combination of genetic susceptibility to certain modes of thinking interacting with social environment to create a non-reality worldview as a coping mechanism.

What there won’t be, I don’t think, is ‘a gene for’ being trans or any mechanism that means people are in some way more biologically like the opposite sex.

It's just an easy way to shut you up

The only posters who have been silenced are those who have been suspended / banned.

I'm sure they are suffering from genuine discomfort. That's what dysphoria basically means. And they can ease that discomfort by dressing in a different way and assuming a different name and so on.

That's fine. They do not become a different sex though.

My personal belief is that this discomfort comes about through too rigid gender roles. Which is why young girls are so at risk. Middle aged men dressing in women's clothes part time though? That's a whole other thing.

Is this the 'behold a man has arrived' picture?

No it's literally using my name and then constantly using the pronoun he.

It's quoting me and saying how would you know you're a man? Or quoting me and saying you're lying, you're a man.

Repeated, ad infinitum.

I described being pregnant, having pre eclampsia, having a miscarriage - to face yeah sure you did. You're a man.

That thread was deleted but I see many of the posters around. I won't post now on any thread where they are, even though I've name changed now.

I still can't understand how feminists think it's ok to bully other women into shutting up?

That is the main thing that I take away from my experience here. That women are just as bad as men for shutting down other women.

Even when I did they said I was lying. How can you prove it?

@BrownPaperteddy fanny selfie pictures?
Although we'd probably get accused of photoshopping them or something lol

Suffering from gender dysphoria does not mean you were 'born in the wrong body'. It means you have a mental health condition. Many of us do, so obviously we are 'real'.

I do not understand being trans without suffering from gender dysphoria. Even though I myself, am Stonewall Trans, as my gender role does not sit comfortably with my sex.

Nope I didn’t misinterpret anything. Thanks for asking though. What’s your answer to my question or would you like to continue mansplaining?

You really did misinterpret it. Badly. I was not the only person to point it out. And not a man as I've repeatedly made clear, but amused that you think calling me one will offend me

I do believe some people have gender dysphoria. I don't believe that there is such a thing as "being born in the wrong body".

Some others are autogynephiles. Some have been drawn in by social contagion, often because they have other 'issues'. Some are teenagers who before the internet would have eventually accepted (or not) that they're gay.

The only posters who have been silenced are those who have been suspended / banned.

No you're wrong. I've had messages from posters agreeing with me. Saying how badly I was being treated. Apologising for not defending me but saying that they've faced the same treatment and can't face it again so they don't post.

I won't post on threads where the main culprits are posting.

So we've been silenced too.

I described being pregnant, having pre eclampsia, having a miscarriage - to face yeah sure you did. You're a man.
That thread was deleted but I see many of the posters around. I won't post now on any thread where they are, even though I've name changed now.

I didn't see this thread.
You are here now and people are listening and responding.