Aggressive Feminism Boards

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I've been on this board for a while now and long enough to understand the issues and why women are so vocal about them and angry that our rights are threatened.
I'm frustrated reading on other threads, or on social media that this board is aggressive, shoots down discussion, and calls people names if their views don't match the majority. I can't say that I've seen that myself. All I see is intelligent discussion and persuasive arguments. Any goadiness is appropriately dealt with from what I've read as are any views that don't match reality. Maybe that's what upsets people: that their delusions are challenged with indisputable reality.
I'm still new to feminism and learning daily but I see women fighting for other women and prepared to get flak for that. I see some women who have been well and truly brainwashed by the trans movement and by men and the patriarchy in general. And that's the other criticism: that we are too focused on the trans issue. That makes me angry. The trans issue is the major one affecting women and girls at the moment and it's right that we are focused on it.
These complaints are coming from women who are calling themselves feminists and it baffles me completely that feminists can't understand the biggest threat to women and girls.
Now, I'm aware these so called feminists may well be trolls but I don't think they all are. How can some feminists be so opposed to other feminists passionately protecting their rights? Rights that are for ALL women.

Strangely they were deleted. One remains but it was locked by MNHQ.

Perhaps partially because a poster made a disingenuous post suggesting that they didn't believe my personal account of how my mother had to have an emergency hysterectomy for cervical cancer?

Posting on behalf of men? Oh give over! You’re embodying the exact issue we have. I’m posting on behalf of myself thanks, and will continue to do so, even when it’s suggested I am not

Exactly, it's amazing how easily it gets shown up, isn't it? THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ON ABOUT!!!!

@Elephantinacravat
Yes I see where you are going.

The only way you have to define some women is by the absence or inability to do that which you define women by.

BrownPaperTeddy

But the definition of women is factual. No debate can be had.

But why shouldn’t we come here? Why should we not be allowed to have views and thoughts and want discussions? I am a feminist. I have every right to want to broaden my mind with other’s views. It’s not emotional manipulation to not want to be told I’m not the right sort of feminist or I’m not welcome in a space specifically designed for women.

That is your definition of a woman, further qualified with additional statements to include some that don't fit with your original definition.

It only needs to be qualified for people who have problems understanding simple English sentences. The sex that can produce ova. As opposed to the one that cannot. Do you think there is a third sex for infertile people?

PS it's "the" definition not just a random one she made up.

TeddyIsaHe

I was referring to this comment, from Verbeena

What's not OK is personal attacks though of which there's a lot if you post in favour of the man's point of view on MN

But the definition of women is factual. No debate can be had

But the definition here doesn't apply to all women, even the ones that we agree are women. The situation is more subtle than just applying a label.

For goodness sake.
If you've got an opinion share it And defend it.
Everyone smiling and nodding and never engaging or drilling down is just an anodyne workplace icebreaker.

What we are looking for us someway through this mess. To protect women and girls. Ideally also trans people, but females are feminists priority. So if anyone knows how there is no risk, or if a way of differentiating between the chance rs and the genuine, please lay it out.
It's about truth and answrrs , not about you personally feeling welcome on a message b oard.

If you can't assert yourself, here and now, in a discussion on the internet, how is your teenage daughter going to assert herself in the top shop changing rooms? Or your elderly mother, ill, on a ward? Hopefully they will never encounter a creep in those places. But if they do, it didn't come out of nowwhere , and everyone here agreeing with the danger but thought the feminists were too nasty to engage with, will probably think - shite. Maybe I should have stood up then, from the safety of my living room, instead of expecting my daughter/mother to do it in real life while vulnerable with no support.

The only way you have to define some women is by the absence or inability to do that which you define women by.

So what is your definition of woman then?

But the definition here doesn't apply to all women, even the ones that we agree are women. The situation is more subtle than just applying a label.

So you do think there is a third sex just for infertile people?

penny and yet that I thought it could mean any of us shows exactly what has been happening on these boards and other threads quite perfectly doesn’t it? Because that is the general consesus. Agree or fuck off.

What's not OK is personal attacks though of which there's a lot if you post in favour of the man's point of view on MN

See, I don't come here for the 'man's point of view'. It's the 'man's point of view' that's been oppressing women forever and which is currently causing the imminent erasure of the right even to define ourselves.

If you don’t like the way feminism is done here, don’t come here

Think like me or go away!
Nope, no, the boards here are pip and dandy obviously, not aggressive or unwelcoming at all.
There's plenty more feminists out there who have every right to want to share their views without being told they're a man repeatedly or "don't come here."

So since the actual definition of a woman is a female, and the definition is a female is someone that is or denotes to be of the sex that produces children. The definition of a woman that you’ve all been banging on about and putting on billboards actually includes anyone who appears to be childbearing. So why so much pushing to get people to agree with a definition that actually could be inclusive to trans women?

Some people on these boards quite clearly have an issue with all trans people, and that makes me sad for the way this movement has gone.

Why are definitions so important? As I said earlier, the definition of marriage was A man and A woman, I can envisage homophobic people constantly throwing that in the face of those fighting for gay rights too. So those fighting for the definition of a woman, what are your thoughts on that?

Yes it's like there isn't allowed to be anywhere where we don't have to think of the "mans point of view". I have men in my life who I love dearly, but there are many things about being a woman that they just don't get.

So what is your definition of woman then?

Is it like a crib sheet cut and paste or something on here? It's robotic like.

Perhaps partially because a poster made a disingenuous post suggesting that they didn't believe my personal account of how my mother had to have an emergency hysterectomy for cervical cancer?

I don't know why. I can't believe it was just for that one post. It was more likely that the OP posted something and then received lits of people agreeing with them on an article which was clearly fake and which showed a distinct lack of critical thinking skills on behalf of some FWR posters.

Another thread about hiding feminist board was deleted and it was very similar to here.

Just wondering why posts disagreeing with FWR board appear to be deleted.

Do you think there is a third sex for infertile people?

Exactly.

I am infertile at the moment due to heavy duty drugs I am being given. I may or may not become fertile again in the future.

Am I not a woman at the moment? Am I some sort of third sex? Will I become a woman again in the future if my fertility comes back?

Or do I remain a woman throughout because I am of the sex class which produces ova?

But its hard to understand why you want to come here if you hate it so much. If you feel that people disagreeing with you are somehow shutting you down. It seems like a drain on people's energy.

So since the actual definition of a woman is a female, and the definition is a female is someone that is or denotes to be of the sex that produces children.

I'm going to ask you too: do you think there is a third sex of all infertile people?

TeddyIsaHe

I would of thought it was clear what I was saying was based on the complaints about wanting to hide or avoid the boards, or just complaints about the feminism boards in general. What I mean is, if you’re complaining about the style of feminism that dominates this space, why come here? I don’t go to liberal feminist groups etc and then complain they’re not more radical. Maybe some people do that. I think it’s a complete waste of time to join a group, space etc that has a particular and known focus, then complain constantly once there that the women who make up the majority won’t capitulate to you and your views. It’s why I left Twitter, I think it’s insanely sexist and my being there would not affect that, so I don’t waste my time arguing back and forth. I

@Ereshkigal
No I don't think there is a 3rd sex. I think there is a definition that is wider than only biological function, or absence of it.

It was more likely that the OP posted something and then received lits of people agreeing with them on an article which was clearly fake and which showed a distinct lack of critical thinking skills on behalf of some FWR posters.

What? The OP of the hide the thread thread agreed with you! What article?

Ounce because I am a woman? And I have the same worries about self-ID? And I should be able to discuss points I have without being told to not come here?