AIBU to be bloody angry that so few famous pp who have a voice are talking about this?

[Destinysdaughter]

So in the last week both Alison Moyer and Glinner have basically been forced to leave Twitter because of the amount of abuse they’ve received for their views.

Most of the GC activism is coming from ordinary ( brilliant) women, often at great personal cost to themselves.

So my question is why aren’t famous pp, and women, who are usually really outspoken, talking about this? Jo Brand, Janet Street Porter, Shappi Korsandi, any of the female comedians? Helen Mirren, Olivia Coleman, Judi Dench, female DJs, literally ANYONE?? The silence is deafening. The only people ( women) who have brought this to people’s attention have been ordinary women, like ManFriday, Lisa Muggeridge, Posie Parker, Jean Hatchet etc

And a few female journalists. And as for female POLITICIANS most have been worse than useless

Is it because the women with voices are in such a position of power that any changes to the law won’t affect them? Or that they do understand the issues but don’t want to affect their careers? Or that they genuinely believe transvestites are women? ( erroneously thinking that they are men who’ve had their bits removed)

Following all these debates online I
find myself becoming more angry every day and I also see more women getting radicalised every day. But most of the women in power won’t talk about it. Why??

There are some brilliant academics tirelessly writing and sharing brilliant work
Kathleen Stock, Jane Claire Jones..... lots actually, not to mention the very impressive women speaking at the events on YouTube.

However I do know what you mean. I'd like to see Bridget Christie weigh in, or women's hour. There are lots of non-rad fun feminists who just don't get this, and they make me really cross. Caitlin Moran (despite a ridiculous article a few years ago) must surely know enough about this to join in! Sick and tired of hearing the fun feminists come out in favour of self ID because they are shot scared of being insulted,

Daisy Lowe was outside Westminster magistrates court during the protest for Venice Allen and Linda Bellos. She would call herself a feminist, she was loving all the 'let women speak' banners, but my word she had no bloody idea what the protest was about,

Janice Turner is doing alright.

What do you mean Glinner has "been forced to leave Twitter" I don't think that's true is it?

Yes I know there’s some great academics writing about this, and again, they’ve had serious consequences but I guess I was meaning those few women who have a large sphere of influence in the MSM. It annoys me that so many ordinary ( but brilliant ) women are putting their lives and reputations on the line whilst most of those women who arehigher up the food chain are totally silent about it?

Self preservation mostly.
They can't be bothered with the hassle and I don't blame them.

I blame them.

I don't know, I understand why people would be wary about protecting their livelihoods. We all know how things can be twisted and it only takes something to be misinterpreted and that's it, you are transphobic and no one wants to be associated with you.

I'm surprised people can't see that tbh.

Let's face it, all any of them would have to do is say "maybe this affects women and maybe women should have say". Ffs it's not Shindlers bloody List. If you know it's right, stand up and so so. Cowards

If they stick their neck out, they will be persecuted. They will be doxxed, their next film / play / job will have every producer / director / editor hounded for employing them and e v e r y element of their life will be torn apart to unearth anything that can destroy them.

Acting for 30 years and multi-award winning? Well, if you fucking dare say that women don't have dicks, TRAs will pile on. Not just to you, but to every single possible income stream that you might have. Your job, your kids, your family: fuck 'em all.
It's Orwellian and scary. That is why I stay Ann On

I think you have a right to be angry, but I am not. I can't really criticize anyone as quite a cowardly person myself, and I have basically no platform or influence.
What I really wonder is why rational people like politicians, academics, scientists, etc haven't put a stop to this nonsense before it got to this point? Is it really as simple as the story of the Emperor's New Clothes, where everyone just nods along because they don't want to be thought of as stupid, just for pointing out the facts?
Famous people rely on public perception, and they might have some PR people telling them to stay the hell away from this. Let's face it, the lefty media and "woke folk" are the cultural influence for young people, so all you need is one smear article in P ropaganda ink News and that's it.
Brave women have paved the way, but it's still terrible out there.

Sometimes I speculate if maybe we should have a collective "coming out" day...

I have wondered exactly the same heresy! Safety in numbers and all that. I'm sure once enough high-ish profile people spoke out (or enough ordinary people - but that would probably take higher numbers), the dam would break and a lot more would join in, but nobody wants to be among the first few who get all the flak.

I find this whole thing actually really confusing. In most people's real lives they don't need to come out to say male rapists shouldn't be in women's prisons. Most people think that's a given. It's like Twitter took over some people's brains.
But yeah, heresy, if that's what it takes.
I was wondering the other day what Kathy Burke thinks. Don't know why. She seems like a no bullshit person.

'Julie Bindel's Fifteen Years of Hell:

Julie Bindel talks to Dan Fisher and Sarah Mills about the vitriol and harassment she has endured in the process of standing up against male entitlement and violence in this special episode of Conatus Views.'

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=65&v=yBeG-82Im1A

I'm with you. Where's that famous feminist Emma Watson? Where's Jo Brand who's made a career and a fortune out of seeing through all the BS? Ricky Gervais had a section in his latest show making fun of trans ideology: why isn't he up there shoulder-to-shoulder with Glinner? As you say, surely the famously outspoken Janet Street Porter should be shooting her mouth off.

Most of them have run away to hide. When they feel the backlash has taken a hold then possibly they'll join in but we know who spoke up and who didn't. You don't play the right-on feminist card to earn your millions and run for the hills when the going gets tough. It shows a shocking lack of commitment to ordinary women.

In most people's real lives they don't need to come out to say male rapists shouldn't be in women's prisons.

It's like Twitter took over some people's brains.

Yep. But that's why I think this will be defeated ultimately. The general population is starting to wake up to this, the TRAs and the woke bros do not have as much support as they think based on their Twitter echo chamber. It is starting to get more media coverage and everyone just has to keep going, talking to friends, family, doing the consultation etc.

I don't feel like I can blame famous people as I have the same fear of the backlash - although I am a bit disappointed with Alison Moyet for backsliding! But I know I'm too scared to go too public on Twitter yet (apart from following and liking a few posts) as it's just such mob rule on there and I am worried about career repercussions. I'm not sure it's famous people that are going to get this done anyway, the government needs to hear from charities, people who work in safe guarding, medics, teachers, women's rights advocates, gay and lesbian rights activists etc. I'm trying to talk a lot to friends in those fields in particular.

We will get there, I am optimistic, once the full consequences of what is happening becomes clear. And once we approach a tipping point as I think we may be, more people will start speaking up.

A collective coming out would be amazing heresy

More to the point, only one MP has stuck his (note: his) head above the parapet. Where are the women?

And thank you, David Davies MP. Singlehandedly you have managed to help us maintain some faith in politicians.

JK Rowling has liked a few gender critical tweets but she hasn't actually said anything outright AFAIK.

She did kind of retract one of her likes and tried to claim it was accidental after she received backlash for it but I think that's BS. She had liked a gender critical tweet prior to the one she apologised for liking and on top of that she liked a different gender critical tweet afterwards. So that's at least three gender critical tweets she has liked. Sorry sweetie but claiming it was an accident is not going to fly with me .

I really do wish JKR would actually say something now. She has already been outed as a TERF and been criticised for it so she might as well open her mouth now and bloody say something.

With that all said, I actually have a feeling JKR might be the one of the first ones to speak out. I just wish she'd get a bloody move on.

Frances Barber has stepped up.

Courtney Love said some stuff. Since everyone hates her anyway, maybe she doesn’t care.

Hadley Freeman too.

I'm with you op. It just gives these infantile bullies power that they don't have. It legitimises them.

A friend of mine went public with a different issue and was prepared that she would probably lose all credibility and earning power. People forgot and moved on, people actually valued her skills and opinions.

Who decided that we would be ruled by nasty bullies on Twitter? Who decided that we have to listen to them or take them seriously? Who cares if 1000, 10000, 100000 people tweet mean things? They are fucking cowards (the twitterati) and their uppance is coming. Let them howl and threaten - let them show everyone exactly who they are.

It is more likely to be feminists who have retired, who eventually come out against the idiocy of TWAW etc
So women who have made a name for themselves, but don't have to worry about their future career.

Even so, they would still face the barrage of online hate and violent threats that all women face when they say something in public that angers men.

I love Julie Bindel and I admire her so much to sticking to the truth of men’s violence against women. During her 15 years of hell I was very busy raising kids and moved to two countries and I had no idea about all this insane ideology that was so dangerous to women. Can we have a fan club?

I know the best way I can show my support for her is to be active in this issue within my local community.

I agree OP. The silence from rich privileged women who purport to be feminists is deafening on this issue.

Fun feminists like Caitlin Moran and Emma Watson who are happy to speak out on all the uncontoversial stuff but refuse to say a word on this massive assault on women’s rights. So cowardly and self serving. And JKR. She could have so much influence and encourage other GC high profile women to follow but she is tight lipped. Mary Beards another one.

But no, leave it to the ordinary women to do all the hard work; women who have jobs and families and bills to pay and who don’t have the cushion of wealth and privilege and PR support these fair weather feminists have.

As a poster above said, when this madness has died down in a few years, we’ll remember who spoke up and who chose to say nothing while ordinary women risked their jobs, financial security and safety.

Caitlin Moran. Where are you and your brilliant writing making sense of this for a mainstream audience??