AIBU to be bloody angry that so few famous pp who have a voice are talking about this?

[Destinysdaughter]

So in the last week both Alison Moyer and Glinner have basically been forced to leave Twitter because of the amount of abuse they’ve received for their views.

Most of the GC activism is coming from ordinary ( brilliant) women, often at great personal cost to themselves.

So my question is why aren’t famous pp, and women, who are usually really outspoken, talking about this? Jo Brand, Janet Street Porter, Shappi Korsandi, any of the female comedians? Helen Mirren, Olivia Coleman, Judi Dench, female DJs, literally ANYONE?? The silence is deafening. The only people ( women) who have brought this to people’s attention have been ordinary women, like ManFriday, Lisa Muggeridge, Posie Parker, Jean Hatchet etc

And a few female journalists. And as for female POLITICIANS most have been worse than useless

Is it because the women with voices are in such a position of power that any changes to the law won’t affect them? Or that they do understand the issues but don’t want to affect their careers? Or that they genuinely believe transvestites are women? ( erroneously thinking that they are men who’ve had their bits removed)

Following all these debates online I
find myself becoming more angry every day and I also see more women getting radicalised every day. But most of the women in power won’t talk about it. Why??

Caroline Flint used to be my MP, it didn't surprise to see her speaking up. I would hazard a guess she was doing it in response to letters from her constituents because I found her to be very responsive, and very good at representing the interests of the people who elected her.

It's tragic that our representation has dwindled to basically two MPs who are willing to actually do their jobs.

Where has Flint spoken about this? I've missed that.

I don't know anything about Davies but I think it's more likely that Tories will be against self id and the general trend. Not because they want to break down the cages of gender and see tra ideas as bolstering them, but because they like boundaries, and the traditional order of things. Social conservatives are more likely to be happy with female-feminine male-masculine and a more defined gender order than either feminists or tra's (in a different way) want. Their support on this is still v necessary though.
It's possible Davies is coming from a pro free speech position as well.

Angela Eagle attacked Caroline verbally in the commons when Caroline asked a question.

I'm surprised at the silence from women sport stars especially retired ones. There is no way they would agree TWAW as it would mean the end of women's sport, and I doubt they will be unaware of the issues. There was no shyness around discussing the IAAF policy on hyperandrogegism.

I'm surprised at the silence from women sport stars especially retired ones.

Likewise - some of them like Sharon Davies have waited 30 years to win their appropriate medal after all of the doping scandals back then. The medal tables may never be re-written.

Davies has been very vocal in the calls for a reallocation of medals and titles at the various games where East German athletes won using illegal, drug-supported development techniques. Sports bodies have recognised the superior achievement of athletes like Sharron who shunned the use of performance-enhancing substances but have fallen short of rewriting the medal tables.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharron_Davies

Posted to soon - my point being that the drugs in use then wouldn't have given that much of an advantage relative to being a Self-Id'd Woman.

We will lose women's world records and every other one. We will lose any advancement that has ever been made in the science of how to coach women.

Bet you there will be a tsunami of "we were worried, and knew there was a problem", once the damage becomes too big to ignore, when lawsuits from sterilised kids start, when it isn't just a few random pervs in the papers, and kids who are friend of a friend.

Bit like #metoo.

Biology has never really bothered much about what fashion and belief systems have to say.

Maybe they're all talking quietly, over cups of tea. As we were recently reminded, that's how successful activists get their work done by stealth, and without attracting attention.

They will all have been in the resistance.

NameChangedAgain18 Sat 06-Oct-18 07:19:41

If Watson had stuck to being an actress, I wouldn't be angry with her. But her entire career and image post-HP has been based on trumpeting her supposed feminist credentials. I see this in the same way I do Sophie Walker and the WEP - they're taking up political, intellectual and media space whilst obscuring the most pressing issues facing women in this country today. Which makes them a lot worse than being merely useless.

Spot on. I've always hated "activist" celebs, especially faux feminist ones, because it's so clear they're full of shit - can anyone explain to me what "he for she" actually is? What does it do? It's just fucking meaningless word salad that allows Emma Watson to get a Vogue profile talking about something other than her equally shit acting.

Now when we need women to speak up it's tumbleweed.

Tbf to JKR, I have an iota of sympathy because she's between a rock and a hard place. The HP franchise is so vast now - theme parks, studio tours, merch etc it sustains thousands of people and you just know if she came out as GC and proud the nutters would ensure a boycott of all of it.

I dunno, not so sure!

Watching BBC IPlayer, noticed two high profile people on prime time, wearing jewellery in the suffragette colours.

Might be entirely coincidental, but I'm hopeful. Not going to name, wouldn't want to make them a target for abuse when it could be nothing. Or better, something.

I think it's safe to say that the resistance is huge, working away, having conversations. Going public for some women at this point will result in loss of livelihood and personal risk. People are doing what they can, where they can, making risk assessments as they go along. I was at a meeting where I said it was like being part of the bloody resistance, another women (turned out to be a MNetter) said she felt like part of the Rebel Alliance in star wars. I can be out because I'm a retired academic - no job to lose, others are not in that position. I am one of the 200 signatories to this letter in the Observer today - the others are actually much more prominent than me 😎 www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/14/observer-letters-theresa-may-siren-words-fool-no-one

You have to scroll down through the other letters to see it. AND they did an article about it. Finally.

Diane do you have a link to the article?

But there are retired sports women who have no livelihood to lose too. Amateur women's sport in Canada - eg the cyclist who briefly held the world record for their age group in the last day or two - should be enough to worry people who care about women's sport. Maybe it will take obvious cases here. The important thing is that the resistance is changing the conversation and making an alternative view visible, so when other people do start to see how serious it is there is a way of expressing it.

Thank you for signing the letter.

There must surely be a woman rich enough to not ever have to work again, who can speak out without having to give a fuck about the consequences.

Ultimately though, I think this whole thing will be quashed by heterosexual men once they wake up to how ludicrous all of this is.

They are the power base. & once they also start thinking their wives and daughters will be affected, + realise TRAs want all the power, they'll act and shut this down. There won't be enough Over-Woke men and women to counteract this

This world listens to men, not women. Unfortunate fact.

We need male journalists on board for a start. As many as possible.

Link to article www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/14/women-claim-intimidation-silencing-gender-recognition-act-debate

We don't know what's going on in other women's lives though. There are women who have posted anonymously on here about not being able to talk about it in RL due to family members believing themselves to be trans. These prominent women might well be in that position. I think we just have to be as courageous as we can be in our own situation - and remember Courage calls to courage everywhere.

There's the Sherlock actress too.

Oh, I was looking for this thread the other day but was searching for celebrities as a key word or something.

Anyway, I noticed that the actor Amanda Abbington has retweeted a couple of adult human female signs and, I think, a James Kirkup article too. 💪

Ooos, x post

Who’s the Corrie actress?

Noticed a few "names" supporting Janice Turner on Twitter, too - hadn't seen Kathryn Flett speak up before, for example. An attack on a well-established, respected journo will have a lot of folks concerned about free speech and press freedom.

India knight has retweeted and liked a couple of GC things recently. Ian Martin doesn’t tweete much anymore but he’s def GC too.