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Helen Webberley found guilty

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OldCrone · 05/10/2018 18:45

Just seen on the BBC Wales news that Helen Webberley has been found guilty of providing an unregistered online medical clinic. She'll be sentenced next month.

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Hornets · 06/10/2018 09:32

That 5 Live 'Your Call' with Nicky Campbell is still available on iPlayer.

www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/m0000g3x

Butterymuffin · 06/10/2018 09:33

That headline is incredible. It's not news as it stands. They've taken the actual news out because they find it unpalatable. The opposite of journalism.

Charliethefeminist · 06/10/2018 09:41

I've added this to the BBC bias thread. I think we should keep that bumped now we are seeing such egregious multiple examples.

Charliethefeminist · 06/10/2018 09:45

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=mtouch.facebook.com/gendergp/%3F__tn__%3D%252AsH-R&ved=2ahUKEwju3N3ytfHdAhUNesAKHYTfDOkQFjAQegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw3o7RqnIoIUWZwX5PO98y_g&cshid=1538815493723" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">what the Jeff

Apparently promising no break in service?

Charliethefeminist · 06/10/2018 09:47

See screenshot?

Helen Webberley found guilty
LangCleg · 06/10/2018 09:56

What exactly did the BBC learn from Savile? Wankers.

Nothing. Likewise everyone else, including Ed Miliband and his moral panic.

And yet again, women raise safeguarding concerns - it's clear this woman is running a cowboy clinic and it's dangerous - and are shouted down by the great and the good as bigots. When, later, everything we said is shown to be true... crickets.

This is what really gets to me. Even if you are a Follower of Gender, you should be against cowboy medics. Even if you are a Follower of Gender, you should be against putting gender-questioning children at increased risk of abuser infiltration (as per the trans lobby schools guidance).

But no - even "their own children" are acceptable collateral damage if it advances the agenda. And we're the bigots for evidencing clear concerns?

Iused2BanOptimist · 06/10/2018 10:00

Anyone know what they charge? This is private practice after all.

RealGhouls · 06/10/2018 10:05

It looks like she is going to use her husband (who was added as a Director last year). Dr. Mike was not prosecuted so if he continues to practice the consequences will essentially be the same as for her - a light slap on the wrist.

Whereas if she does it again she could go to prison.

I will be watching Companies House to see if she removes herself from the Directors list

deepwatersolo · 06/10/2018 10:10

It is remarkable how TRAs and Webberley are all concern and anguish regarding the patients who relied on her services. No such concern for the patients of the now vindicated Dr Zucker, was there?

Popchyk · 06/10/2018 10:11

gendergp.co.uk/fees/

Initial advice is "free" where they sell the other services to you. Remember most of this will be done online with patients never meeting the doctors or counsellors.

Administration fee - £195
Counselling - £50
Appointments - Clinic (£175), Video (£75), Telephone (£50)
Blood tests - price on application
Medication - £20+ (or free if NHS has authorised)
Monthly Fee (advice, prescriptions, letters, GP supervision) - £30
Letters and Reports - £25 plus any assessments

R0wantrees · 06/10/2018 10:11

Noted too the links to 'relevent articles' that the BBC embeds.

Noted too the alternative links which the BBC could /should (?) have included in an article about a GP who has been suspended, sanctioned prior to this conviction.

BBC Panorama ran an important program recently shining a light on the dangers of online clinics:
Panorama goes undercover to reveal online doctor sites putting profit before patient care. In 2017 the Care Quality Commission issued a warning about the risks of buying drugs prescribed by doctors online.
Dr Faye Kirkland, journalist and GP, meets the families of patients who have died after online consultations and exposes the sites running rings around the regulators.
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b3qb74

Dr Christian featured and was criticised for his endorsement.

(Seems to be links with Dr Christian and Dr Helen Webberley/ Gender GP also.)

Helen Webberley found guilty
Helen Webberley found guilty
LangCleg · 06/10/2018 10:13

Anyone know what they charge? This is private practice after all.

gendergp.co.uk/fees/

A lot depends on the patients pressuring their own GPs to do a shared care agreement. Many GPs - my own included - are worried about this and do not wish to be put under pressure by distressed patients and would only be prepared to share care with an actual NHS GIC.

DayMay · 06/10/2018 10:17

In the Emperor's new clothes the con artists get away with all the £, the public laugh at the Emperor and thecpoliticians.

This is what's needed, this is why we are told it's dangerous to tell the public. Politicians don't want to be laughed at or face an angry mob, for this daft change in law they back.

RedToothBrush · 06/10/2018 10:19

Ah the future of health care in the UK. NHS collapsing and the rise of cowboy clinics and celebrity doctors peddling their ware - free from advertising restrictions - via social media.

DayMay · 06/10/2018 10:22

We need to go old school. What did people do become radio, TV and SM?

This shower don't want to be laughed at or face an angry mob.

We need to go out in amongst and tell the public what proposed law changes are going through.

Popchyk · 06/10/2018 10:22

Interesting that GenderGP Limited (Helen Webberley is the sole director) is a dormant company (so no money going in or coming out), given the fee structure detailed above.

beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10323493/filing-history

RealGhouls · 06/10/2018 10:37

you have the wrong company Popchyk

This is the active one

beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09315897/filing-history

Popchyk · 06/10/2018 11:17

Ah. She appears as Dr. Helen Webberley on that one, rather than Helen Webberley on the other dormant companies.

On the Online GP Services Limited company, there have been two notices for compulsory strike off.

And there looks to be very little money going through that company either. And a loan to Helen Webberley of 11K.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2018 11:26

Brilliant news !! ... even if the MSM are frantically hiding this news

Maybe a few journalist who still report news fully will take up the story

I hope she gets struck off too
and that any dissatisfied patients sue her

In fact, I hope patients who later regret their mutilation and ruined fertility would sue any doctors or clinic responsible,
because insurance companies might then be more cautious about who they are insuring and set more stringent requirements in their policies

Melanippe · 06/10/2018 12:26

I'm wondering what a gastroenterology specialist would be doing professing professional specialism in transgender medicine. Although, what is most likely happening is that Mike Webberley is being used to merely rubber stamp his wife's prescribing decisions, because she is no longer allowed to make them without supervisions in a multi-disciplinary team, which she cannot be doing due to running a one man band over the internet. Where is the rest of the safeguarding?

Annandale · 06/10/2018 12:32

Who audits a clinic like that? Is thete any benchmarking - so an NHS GIC would prescribe some form of medical transition for x% of those referred to it; does gendergp prescribe for a greater or smaller percentage? What outcome measures do they use and what are their outcomes? How long is their average episode of care for gendergp patients compared to nhs clinics? How do they manage increased risks for patients on hormones, like circulatory or cancer risks?

R0wantrees · 06/10/2018 12:37

Has this recent article in 'Glamour' been shared?
(apologies if it has already)
THURSDAY 6 SEPTEMBER 2018
LIFESTYLE
'Everything you need to know about gender transitioning
Everything you need to know.'

(extract)
While for many, the concept of gender variance may be relatively new, transgender people have always been a deep-rooted part of our society. In more recent times, our understanding has increased, thanks to high-profile personalities such as Caitlyn Jenner and Laverne Cox, and the development of the language to enable people to verbalise their experience. We've called on Dr Helen Webberley, who runs the online gender clinic www.gendergp.co.uk, to break down everything you need to know about gender transitioning, sorting the myths from the facts.

"At GenderGP, we help hundreds of people every year, of all ages, to get the support and treatment they need, either directly through our service, through the NHS or via a combination of the two," she said.

Here's everything you need to know...

Myths and facts" (continues)

  1. Gender is not a choice
It is as innate as an individual’s sexuality, personality or eye colour. In the same way that you cannot opt-in or force yourself to be gay, if you are born one gender but identify differently, then that is there to stay. You can try and hide it, but you cannot change it.
  1. Gender is a spectrum
We often think of gender as binary: male or female, but in reality, it is a spectrum. People can sit anywhere on this spectrum. Some people feel very female, some very male. Some part female and part male (non-binary) and some neither female nor male (agender). That may be tricky to understand, but that does not make it less real.
  1. Gender expression is different to gender identity
Some cisgender people like to express their gender in a very feminine way and some in a more masculine way. The same goes for trans people. Just because you choose to wear trousers, doesn’t necessarily make you a man.
  1. Hormones can make a huge difference
The onset of puberty brings with it the secondary sex characteristics typically associated with the male and female form (think breasts and hips for women, facial hair and an Adam’s apple for men). If a trans person has not had to endure the wrong puberty, switching hormones gives them the same external bodily features as a cisgender person, apart from the genitals, which are more easily hidden.
  1. Some trans women do have penises and some trans men do have vaginas.
We have to stop trying to pigeon hole people according to cis ‘norms’.
  1. You can’t hurt a child by allowing them to explore their gender Children should be allowed to explore their world and their bodies with the freedom that perhaps only childhood allows. If your child wants to experiment with clothes, makeup, names, hairstyles, pronouns (he/she/they), this will not force them towards any type of gender identity. Let them explore in a safe environment and their passage through their teenage years will be more comfortable."

www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/article/gender-transitioning-facts

placemats · 06/10/2018 12:46

Perhaps when the Webberleys move to Spain they might well expect

Haworthia · 06/10/2018 12:53

Wow, Webberley really was crowing about how the GMC repeatedly found no evidence of misconduct. Why are these people always coated in Teflon?

Well the GMC will have to act now... right? Confused

WanderinWomb · 06/10/2018 12:54

What outcome measures do they use and what are their outcomes? How long is their average episode of care for gendergp patients compared to nhs clinics?

Such sensible questions.
They may never be answered, I doubt they have any evidence base, apart from the Doctors Webberly sensing the mojo over the internet that patient has 100% likelihood of successful suicide attempt without buying meds from them rather than another online source.

My friend described them as "the improv jazz dance of shared care"

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