Helen Webberley found guilty

[OldCrone]

Just seen on the BBC Wales news that Helen Webberley has been found guilty of providing an unregistered online medical clinic. She'll be sentenced next month.

wrexhamtrans

The consultants at Charing Cross have skeletons in their closet too, so they're not exactly the panacea for treatment either. www.theguardian.com/society/2007/may/25/health.medicineandhealth2

Also what bd67th said..

The problems you are describing have nothing to do with you being trans and everything to do with successive governments undermining, underfunding, and now openly dismantling our health service

I don't have the figures to hand (which you can find yourself) but GIC referrals have increased exponentially in the last few years due in part due to the trans-cult agenda and underfunding. That's why the waiting lists are over 12 months. Basically every hairy panty wearer and blue haired boi with "gender feelz" (other stereotypes are available) are knocking on their door demanding access to the scant resources needed for those with genuine dysphoria.

As for the trans-medicalisation of children, don't even get me started on that.

The system is not only failing transsexuals but more importantly women, who are bearing the brunt of shoddy diagnostic techniques and the willingness of anyone vaguely medically trained to dish out hormones like Smarties to anyone with AGP/other sexual paraphilia. The medical profession are also absolutely culpable for perpetuating the delusion that the "ultimate outcome" will magically align the patient's sex and gender - they all do it, and it's utter b*llocks. Again, women are bearing the brunt of it...

....it's affecting their children, their right to their own protected spaces and their safety from MALE violence, because we're now in a situation where ANYONE can say they're a woman "because the Dr says so", or "the Dr gave me some pills".

The current system isn't fit for purpose in any way, shape or form.

bd67th I disagree - I think you make your point very well. Very strongly, and thank you for sharing a very personal point of view to illustrate the issue.

The current system isn't fit for purpose in any way, shape or form.

Which is why the government have decided that the solution is to make it even worse!

I feel like we're living in some sort of Python skit gone horribly wrong.

A common term for estradiol among transitioners is "titty skittles". I wonder, does any other patient group describe their medication as being a type of sweet/candy? Even "happy pills" indicates medication rather than sweet treats.

bd67th

You raise a good point, and I'd heard that actually. Some other "gems" include:

Whore-mones
Breast Mints
Girl Juice
Femme & M's
Tit-Tacs
Boob Fairy Coupons

There seems to be a AGP / over sexualised / misogynistic theme here....

This particular "group" of people who coin these terms also seem to be the ones who harp on about the "period feelz", "emotional cycles" and god only knows whatever other bullshit they spout.

When I started on mine I felt...well...nothing - apart from some kind of "placebo" / "psychosomatic" sense of well-being caused by the fact I was at least getting treatment for my GD. I certainly didn't feel elated or suddenly "a woman" because I was taking them.

They're there to alter secondary sex characterics as part of a greater treatment plan, that's all - but for some they're seen as something completely different. With the added risks of DVT, stroke, PE, heart attacks etc by taking them - they certainly shouldn't be taken like sweets.

article by Prof. Michael Biggs about Mermaids and other TRAs use of suicide statistics in reference to the drama Butterfly:
www.transgendertrend.com/suicide-by-trans-identified-children-in-england-and-wales/

& news of a new minister for suicide prevention who one hopes will be made aware of this as a need for investigation and action:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/10/uk-appoints-its-first-minister-for-suicide-prevention

WRT people with dysphoria being given treatment that may not be appropriate, I searched ‘phalloplasty’ on instagram the other day, and it’s a bit of an eye opener about the possible complications, which are many and horrific. I also saw one transman who had had the full complement of top surgery, hormones, and phalloplasty. They were posting about going swimming, and still finding it difficult to be in public in swimming gear, because they still experienced dysphoria. And I just realised that all the surgery and treatment is just treating the symptoms, but never getting to the root cause, because the person still had dysphoria

Cayden Carter is a transman who posts a lot on YouTube. Cayden passes quite well as a slim, young man. Cayden had full Phalloplasty because they wanted to pee standing up and to be able to penetrate their partner sexually.
Cayden suffered fisulae and other complications and has an abscess necessitating a colostomy bag. Cayden has had something like 7 surgeries on their phallus and still needs to have the abscess drained regularly as it has not healed.
Finally, cayden still can't penetrate their partner sexually, not satisfactorily for either of them. They still have to use a strap on.
I don't know if cayden can pee at a urinal. I hope so; at least something would be salvaged from this disaster.
Cayden was admitted to a psychiatric unit recently for a 72 hour assessment.
Such a tragedy, such lies they are sold.

Such a tragedy, such lies they are sold.

This is one of the most distressing aspects of this whole issue. Do people like Helen Webberley explain to the young people who come to her for help that it is not possible to change sex? Do they all really understand that? Are they given enough help to try and get them to accept their healthy bodies as they are, rather than heading down a path to unsatisfactory surgery, a lifetime as a medical patient and inevitable complications?

Physical transition should be a last resort, when everything else has failed. Nobody is 'born in the wrong body'.

Cayden carter is suing the surgeon who did the phalloplasty. Dr Crane, I think he’s called. He’s featured on the Louis Theroux trans kids documentary.

OldCrone

Physical transition should be a last resort, when everything else has failed.

This is probably one of the most sensible and obvious thing anyone has said that I've seen tbh.

Transitioning is not something to be done on a "whim", taken lightly or casually. It's never going to be satisfactory, it's never going to achieve the delusion that so many people trans people have.

It's a "sticking plaster"... a way to cope when everything else has failed. Transitioning is not the great panacea, as it creates a whole set of other problems.

However for some of us - those who have thought it through, been through the counselling, the therapy, the endless psychiatrists, it's the lesser of two evils and a decision that has to be be weighed up.

As I've posted previously on other threads, I am under no illusion that I am still a man. Just a man that can cope with my own dysphoria a little better now.

And guess what - even with transitioning it never TRULY goes away.

bd67th - firstly and most importantly, . Also, what you said. The answer to NHS waiting lists is not unlicensed cowboys with a saviour complex and this goes more so for vulnerable groups.

Hamster00 - some sane and sensible words. Thanks.

I’m really sorry to hear that Hamster00 what do you think would help you? Do you think your dysphoria is something innate in you? Or do you think it’s caused by a society with rigid gender roles and stereotypes that still has far more homophobia than we would like to admit?

RepealtheGRA

Do you think your dysphoria is something innate in you?

Do I think I was born in the wrong body? No - definitely not. My dysphoria has been something I've had for as long as I can remember. It's "innate" insofar as it's part of me, but it's not something that defines me as "a woman". I think it peaked late-teens, probably around the time I was defining my own sexuality. I don't think I'll elaborate on that more if that's ok.

do you think it’s caused by a society with rigid gender roles and stereotypes that still has far more homophobia than we would like to admit?

Yes. As for my own sexuality, I identify as bisexual, and am in a long term (6 years+) relationship with a woman. However men (in general) do not accept incredibly effeminate men like myself. Having been a victim of male violence myself (both pre and post transition) I think I'm well placed to say that.

Transgender issues are not women's issues, they are men's issues. It's men who need to change to be more accepting of other men who are not testosterone fuelled "men's men". I think women were more accepting of transsexuals until this whole shit-show started - probably at detriment to themselves tbh. Now the situation has become so muddied and confused, it's drawing unwanted attention to people like myself who are just happy to plod along with our lives. It's also making things WORSE for women as the TRAs keep demanding more and more - and rights are being eroded.

The problem is that I don't know what can be done. At the moment it seems like to give rights to one group is taking rights away from another group and that's completely wrong.

Sorry if I'm not getting my point across eloquently but I feel very strongly that Self-ID should not be a "thing", and would probably go as far to say that a GRC should not be "handed out" until the trans-person has completed a post operative outcome. I think that would "possibly" be a step in the right direction... past that, I'm not sure.

I'm slowly starting to educate myself and the likes of Posie, Venice, Anne Ruzylo and Julia Long talk a LOT of sense. I'm very new to "this" but I know it's "right".

what do you think would help you?

Transitioning has helped. It's reduced the dysphoria to a manageable level. As I said, it's never gone away - but it's helped ME at least. I know there will be some that say I should not mutilate a healthy male body, but I was starting to do that already because of how I felt...

Hamster

Thanks for your response Hamster00 I really do appreciate it.

I think you’ve articulated gender dysphoria as well as is possible to explain to someone (me) who’s never personally experienced it.

In a functioning society I think anybody with any form of dysphoria should have access to whatever help they need to be able to live their lives as a contributing member of society. Ideally I would like that to be MH support, but if it has to be drugs and surgery I’d really like that to be via proper controlled channels rather than online clinics or being forced abroad.

For a long time I’ve thought there’s a double standard of girls liking ‘boy’ things being viewed as ‘good’ and boys liking ‘girl’ things being viewed as ‘bad’. I think that’s both homophobic and misogynistic.

I agree there’s a problem with men and I’m sorry for the violence you’ve suffered. I suspect you’re more at risk now that more women are taking the ‘no males, end of’ line. I feel I have to take that line to protect the rights of me and my daughters.

Penny Mourdant does need to re-educate the general public. They need to understand that transsexuals/people with gender dysphoria are a tiny, tiny section of society and that the campaigning lunatics are anti women activists, not pro transsexuals and they need kicking to the curb by society.

But really thank you for coming here, it is appreciated when this board has a reputation for ‘transphobia’ and I know some things I post must be hurtful to transsexuals, but I can’t back down because this is a women’s rights issue.

I hope you have written to your MP and made the point that the current ‘some women have penises’ narrative is not helpful to you.

Hamster

You are completely correct, I can't imagine how you feel, you've had this current wave of trans-activists have taken the respect and good will you've helped built up and is dragging it through the dirt.

Nobody has a solution yet because for any to be devised discussion needs to happen. With that not allowed the very basics of fairness and acceptance are missing.

RepealtheGRA

I feel I have to take that line to protect the rights of me and my daughters.

And that's ABSOLUTELY the right thing to do.

I know some things I post must be hurtful to transsexuals.....

Only the ones who don't understand and appreciate the issues or what's going on.

I hope you have written to your MP and made the point that the current ‘some women have penises’ narrative is not helpful to you.

I haven't, but that's definitely something I "should" do. I think he'd be quite open actually.

CaptainKirkssparetupee

I totally agree. I'm interested to see the outcome of the discussion on 16th tbh.

Hamster
Great posts & a valuable perspective you offer.
Thank you.

I read somewhere that the penalty is an unlimited fine. I doubt prison will come into it.

She has knowingly done harm for financial gain. I would expect a custodial sentence. It sounds like she will do this again as she believed that she has the right to do so, therefore is a danger.

What I can't understand is why aren't Mermaids and the transgender community distancing themselves from her?
Are they above the law?

Andrew Giligan (Times) comment

Trump bullies that's all. It can't last. The classroom bully always falls.

Cayden Carter is the tip of the iceberg, I think. I was searching for people who had had Phalloplasties I think and all the ones I saw were going in for multiple revision surgeries to correct small bits of damage done to them.

Cayden has had something awful like 33 surgeries because of the original being botched. I've had multiple surgeries fairly recently but obviously that many. It is enormously disruptive. I can't see how Cayden can live anything like a normal life. It is a tragedy.