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Stephanie Hayden takes Graham Linehan to court for doxxing

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/10/2018 17:19

Their statement is here:

twitter.com/flyinglawyer73/status/1046792462067519489?s=19

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HamiltonCork · 01/10/2018 18:57

If this gets to court will Stephanie have to pay glinner's legal fees when Stephanie inevitably loses?

FekkoTheLawyer · 01/10/2018 18:57

OK. I'm back. What did I miss m'lud?

TurfClub · 01/10/2018 18:58

Stephanie looks to have filed the claim in person. Presumably to wave the papers around on Twitter before Graham gets them tomorrow in the post.

TurfClub · 01/10/2018 18:59

"If this gets to court will Stephanie have to pay glinner's legal fees when Stephanie inevitably loses?" Only if Stephanie has money to pay them.

BreakWindandFire · 01/10/2018 19:00

It looks like 'lawyer' Steph is self-representing, having to toddle down to the High Court in person. Probably can afford the bus fare and the fee to issue a claim, but not to take it further or hire real lawyers in the form of registered barristers or solicitors.

FekkoTheLawyer · 01/10/2018 19:01

I'll do it. I'm self IDing as a lawyer these days. How hard can it be?

gendercritter · 01/10/2018 19:04

I'm sitting here doing a massive eyeroll

FermatsTheorem · 01/10/2018 19:04

Breakwindandfire every day's a school day on MN! For those who can't be bothered to google:

An unlikely piece of British legal history occurred in what is now referred to as the "case" of Arkell v. Pressdram (1971).

The plaintiff was the subject of an article relating to illicit payments, and the magazine had ample evidence to back up the article. Arkell's lawyers wrote a letter which concluded: "His attitude to damages will be governed by the nature of your reply."

The magazine's response was, in full: "We acknowledge your letter of 29th April referring to Mr J. Arkell.

We note that Mr Arkell's attitude to damages will be governed by the nature of our reply and would therefore be grateful if you would inform us what his attitude to damages would be, were he to learn that the nature of our reply is as follows: fuck off."

In the years following, the magazine would refer to this exchange as a euphemism for a blunt and coarse dismissal: for example, "We refer you to the reply given in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram".

GrinGrinGrinGrin

FekkoTheLawyer · 01/10/2018 19:05

Gendercritter - I'm laughing at the madness of it all.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/10/2018 19:07

Linehan's comments on the matter:

twitter.com/Glinner/status/1046819742575681536?s=19

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BreakWindandFire · 01/10/2018 19:07

Would it be defamatory to speculate that Steph's legal skills are on a par with their photoshop abilities?*

*going by their twitter profile pic

Mumsnut · 01/10/2018 19:08

So, is Hayden also suing The Times and The Mail for defamation, one wonders?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/10/2018 19:10

So, is Hayden also suing The Times and The Mail for defamation, one wonders?

No:

At this time #TheTimes is not subject to legal proceedings. Freedom of the press is an important part of life in the #UK. With that freedom comes responsibility. The decision not to sue the newspaper will be reviewed if further defamatory articles are published #transgender (14)

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OvaHere · 01/10/2018 19:10

Apparently not because they believe in press freedom.

boatyardblues · 01/10/2018 19:10

Anyone else w/o a Twitter account just getting a white screen with the blue bird logo when they click a Twitter link?

adulthumanfemail · 01/10/2018 19:10

@UpstartCrow Kruger Dunning effect

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/10/2018 19:13

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BreakWindandFire · 01/10/2018 19:13

So, is Hayden also suing The Times and The Mail for defamation, one wonders?

No, because they are shit scared of the real lawyers in their legal departments, sorry believe in 'press freedom' apparently

breastfeedingclownfish · 01/10/2018 19:16

Lovely Steph will have to sue the entire internet.

Loving mrkhtake2's response though

'Lolsuit' is the newest entry in the urban dictionary

twitter.com/mrkhtake2/status/1046817956217393153

BreakWindandFire · 01/10/2018 19:17

Unlike 'lawyer' Steph, I know that civil proceedings, including libel proceedings or proceedings for misuse of private information, become sub judice in England & Wales only when the hearing date for the trial is arranged.

I'm sure 'lawyer' Steph would be happy for me to state this, in case we were misled into thinking that we have to shut up now the claim has been issued.

miri1985 · 01/10/2018 19:20

If I was Lucy Bannerman I'd be suing Hayden for liable for describing her as a "transgender hostile journalist"

I'm bloody sick of reading that "lawyer" isn't a protected title, it is. I represent people in court using the title of "lawyer" because it is what my qualification from another EU member state is best translated to as the trades of barrister and solicitor are combined almost everywhere but the UK and Ireland. If I knew I could have just identified in to the title, I would have skipped my apprenticeship years. My title of lawyer means something.

LangCleg · 01/10/2018 19:22

Oh my DAYS.

I honestly don't know what else to say!

Notmynom · 01/10/2018 19:23

It's a very unorthodox way to go about making a claim - there's a detailed procedure set out that you need to follow before making a defamation claim to try and resolve it. Surprisingly posting thr claim form on twitter along with a 20 tweet rant to try and gain publicity for oneself doesn't feature!

ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 01/10/2018 19:23

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Dljlr · 01/10/2018 19:28

Anyway Graham, if you're reading this tell Steph that your legal response is the same asArkell v Pressdram.

Grin