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Stephanie Hayden takes Graham Linehan to court for doxxing

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/10/2018 17:19

Their statement is here:

twitter.com/flyinglawyer73/status/1046792462067519489?s=19

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fatblackcatspaw · 15/11/2020 23:33

JJ SH will get their day in court... which will be ... interesting... bearing in mind their ... history of court cases....

bunbury bunbury bunbury I'm watching the entire sereis of The West Wing with industrial supplies of chocolate I can recommend it

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 15/11/2020 23:35

It only takes one far right lone wolf attack on LGBT people to be linked to mumsnet or gender critical activism and the lives of everybody in the GC movement will change overnight.

Really? “Lone wolf” men kill women every week and nothing seems to change. Transactivists routinely doxx and threaten violence against women, and nothing seems to change.

You could stand to live in the real world, where Stephanie Hayden is a legal pest, women regularly suffer hurt at the hands of men and your fantasies about linking FWR and radfems with terrorism are just that.

DeaconBoo · 15/11/2020 23:37

The fact that JJ started off saying a poster 'jokingly recommended' the KF website, then moved on to saying 'recommended' several times - do you see how you have changed the meaning of your own words there?

Loads of us have had a look at that website and seen how abhorrent the people posting are. Yet activists flock here to tell women to shut up.

Cailleach1 · 15/11/2020 23:45

I now know there is a Bunbury in Australia. To what does it sometimes otherwise allude?

fatblackcatspaw · 15/11/2020 23:50

we have a bunbury thread....

Thelnebriati · 15/11/2020 23:54

''The idea that feminism is decadent, and is destroying Western civilization; the idea that women’s natural role is to have children, and to be subservient to men; the idea that strong men are needed to save the world through violence—all of these arguments are found across extremist websites, and in the words of shooters themselves. Anti-feminist rhetoric is a powerful gateway to violent white nationalism, and it is calculated to appeal to the demographic overwhelmingly responsible for mass shootings: young white men.''

www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/08/anti-feminism-gateway-far-right/595642/

The FBI are investigating right wing groups based in both the USA and Russia, and one of their tactics is to promote sexual violence and violence against women.

www.bbc.com/news/world-51236915

GazookGaboot · 15/11/2020 23:55

@DeaconBoo

The fact that JJ started off saying a poster 'jokingly recommended' the KF website, then moved on to saying 'recommended' several times - do you see how you have changed the meaning of your own words there?

Loads of us have had a look at that website and seen how abhorrent the people posting are. Yet activists flock here to tell women to shut up.

That's what it felt like to me. Thanks jj for that great big STFU to women. There are no precedents for trans activists or LGBT activists to be involved in terrorism

Reminds me of the "Look Around You" spoofs. Terrorism. What is it? We just Don't. Know.

What is it jj? Is it attacking women? Is it intimidation? Is it threats of rape, torture, death by pink barbed-wire-wrapped baseball bat? Is that terrorism?

You seem...invested

Datun · 16/11/2020 00:01

Please tell me we're not being told to avoid KF lest we be arrested for terrorism??

Still, it makes a change from being arrested under revenge porn laws for alerting women to a sexual predator.

And yes, I don't know anyone who isn't aware of the fresh turn of events with Hayden. All very predictable.

Fallingirl · 16/11/2020 00:04

Is this a really clever subversive move by jj? It is...interesting....to keep our attention on that post on that farming site? Is jj trying to procure traffic to the farms?

Quaagars · 16/11/2020 00:11

This is Mumsnet, and the vast majority of posters probably aren't the KF demographic

So why do people talk about the site quite a bit on here then?
I've only ever heard of it from posts on MN.
And if it's not the demographic, why would posters be encouraging others to go to it, even if it is disguised as a "joke"?
Have to agree with the pp, in the tanglement with the far right is worrying.

Quaagars · 16/11/2020 00:13

Is this a really clever subversive move by jj? It is...interesting....to keep our attention on that post on that farming site?

Wow, twist it round to others, or what?!
Should it not be picked up then, should people just ignore that posters are doing it?
Deflecting onto others, "no it's you, not us!"
Amazing.

InflamatoryWrit · 16/11/2020 00:14

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/11/2020 00:33

Please tell me we're not being told to avoid KF lest we be arrested for terrorism??

The way I parsed it, that's the gist of the veiled warning threat

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/11/2020 00:35

Give jj credit, this thread has been well and truly bumped now.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/11/2020 00:38

Also, from what I know, KF don't cooperate with requests for user information and we only have posters' word that they are gender critical feminists, and not, say, over invested trans activists with an encyclopaedic knowledge of current GC matters?

DeaconBoo · 16/11/2020 00:40

So why do people talk about the site quite a bit on here then?

I think if you'd read the posts mentioning the site they would've told you the answer.
What do you recall people talking about when they've mentioned the site?

HiveMindShutIt · 16/11/2020 00:41

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HiveMindShutIt · 16/11/2020 00:43

Oh yes, and thank you jj for the bump!

Quaagars · 16/11/2020 00:47

You and jj are well acquainted with them, though, are you?

You what? I literally said I've only heard of them from people talking about visiting the site on here, which is the truth.
Why try to paint it that I must be well acquainted with them? Implying what exactly?
If you read my post I said the exact opposite, that I've only ever heard of people talking about it and posts on it on here, MN.

JellyFishSquish · 16/11/2020 00:48

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Quaagars · 16/11/2020 00:49

Confused Grin

Who, me? Lol, it's batshit how people try to paint you as a lurky baddie or something just for daring to say something against groupthink
So bloody predictable.

DeaconBoo · 16/11/2020 00:59

What's that, Q is changing the subject when asked a direct question, to talk about "what the FWR posters always do" again? My bingo sheet is nearly full...

Anyway, I thought the KF ref above was a general one. I wish I still thought that...

StandWitch · 16/11/2020 07:58

That 'awful' website set up to dox and bully trans and disabled people and which has been directly linked to at least one suicide as well as the Christchurch shootings?

Don't think that's quite right, mate. The Christchurch shooting video was streamed on Facebook, that trillion dollar behemoth which helped Boris & Trump get elected.

The Christchurch shooter was not a KiwiFarms member.

KiwiFarms members download stuff from Facebook and other social media sites and re-host it in on their site. Often that stuff is subsequently deleted from the original source. This is the case with the Christchurch video.

KiwiFarms is not a primary source.

Sites such as 4chan are known as primary sources for those committing terrorist acts, since they have discussion boards where far-right ideology can be directly discussed. KiwiFarms otoh is devoted to the discussion of 'dox' of various kinds.

I don't think the Samaritans consider it appropriate to say things like 'Kiwi Farms made that person kill themselves', and trying to weaponize suicide like this is not really helpful.

You may well come to rue the day some GC people decided to get involved with websites like this - and I know there are mumsnet posters winding people up about trans people on there. It only takes one far right lone wolf attack on LGBT people to be linked to mumsnet or gender critical activism and the lives of everybody in the GC movement will change overnight.

Lol ok.

Mumsnet does not have a purity test to join. Neo-Nazis can sign up and register. So can trans rights activists. Male mass murderers. Anyone.

Some of the people posting on Mumsnet will have committed dreadful crimes.

As I understand it, the subject of this current thread has filed a number of lawsuits against women, and in the past some detail of the subject of this thread's past deeds could be found on Twitter, which is a site which contains many Nazis, paedophiles, illegal pornography, incitement to murder, and so on, but also lots of normal men and women. However the Twitter rules were changed over time to protect 'identity', and threads about this person went 'poof', because unlike Mumsnet, where if a poster is banned, it might be with just one single deletion, a Twitter ban nukes everything.

So over time those who would seek to document the abuse and misogyny of certain trans rights activists would find their posts wiped out entirely.

Some of these posters went to Reddit, but the same thing happened. Reddit does not delete poster's posting histories, but instead entire subreddits are banned. If you wanted to discuss misogyny on Reddit, then you would have posted that in a radical feminist forum, which Reddit banned all of, due to campaigning by trans activists, who control many of the popular subreddits, including things such as 'actuallesbians'.

When these subreddits were banned ALL of the posts to them disappeared.

I understand that it is a long-term goal to do the same to Mumsnet's Feminism forum, though this has not yet happened.

So far there is no sign of this happening on KiwiFarms, which maintains 'free speech absolutism'. I.e. if you started a thread on KiwiFarms documenting a UK transgender activist's bad behaviour a few years ago then it would still be there now, along with all the Facebook screenshots and so on proving it. These screenshots might have first been posted to Twitter, but if you looked today on Twitter, it is likely that they would no longer be there.

So KiwiFarms ends up as the place where this is posted, not perhaps as first choice, but because transgender activists have successfully changed laws and policies to prevent it anywhere else.

If you were online 25 years ago or so then if you wanted to discuss something you would have gone on usenet, where, say, child pornography was freely distributed. However, that doesn't mean that usenet posters to 'soc.feminism' supported child pornography, downloaded it, looked at it, or were in any way tainted by the association.

Equally, the fact that a certain GC person might have discussed 'Stephanie Hayden' on KiwiFarms, because that is the only place this can be done without 'Stephanie Hayden' getting their post deleted, demanding user data, or similar, doesn't meant that said GC person supports all of threads or posts on KiwiFarms, any more than going on 'soc.feminism' in 1995 mean you supported newsgroups hosting bestiality or what have you, or indeed given that some of the posters on 'soc.feminism' might not have been feminists, mean that you even supported all the posts in that group.

A poster on Mumsnet saying 'have you seen the thread on Kiwi Farms' means nothing beyond 'I saw something interesting/alarming about this person on Kiwi Farms', it does not mean 'I support the personal ideology of the Kiwi Farms owner', or 'I support every thread on Kiwi Farms'

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