Woman, 41, pretended to be a boy to groom a girl

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Jacinta Brooks is a serial paedophile

metro.co.uk/2018/10/01/trans-woman-pretended-to-be-a-boy-to-groom-a-girl-7994533/

"Prosecutor Berenice Mulvanny said that police found screenshots of the conversation with the girl along with hundreds of child abuse pictures. Brooks gave no comment during a police interview but admitted she ‘couldn’t argue’ about being attracted to children. Miss Mulvanny said: ‘Brooks knew the girl was underage but sent her sexual messages. The defendant originally pretended to be a 14-year-old boy but soon admitted her real age.’

The Orwell referencences all through this have been good for me in a theoretial way but not really hot home, I've appreciated them but not felt them.

Here we have our NEWS outlets - the sources that we rely on to tell us the truth - LYING to our faces and expecting us to go along with it.This is like reporting that day is night or up is down with a straight face and expecting us to ignore the evidence of our own eyes.

THIS is what girls in schools and in guides and so on are being expected to do - young girls told that boys are girls, that men are women, they can SEE, they know what's going on, and they are told they have to collude in this lie or they will be in trouble - sometimes it's hinted that this trouble will be with the police.

What are we teaching our daughters here? This secrecy. This pretending, this dishonesty. That she must PRETEND and treat anyone like this just like a woman - that they ARE a woman. We women and girls know that other women are almost certain to be MUCH safer than men. Now we tell them this is a woman. If they don't seek refuge from scary men with someone who looks like this but has, what, a dress on (they want to be "read" as female) then they are bigots?

Make no mistake that undermining girls and womens safety is a BIG driver here. The men who want into our stuff, especially stuff where girls are. HOW is it not OBVIOUS that loads of them will be creepy perverts and we've told girls NO you must not complainyou must not say anything this is a "nice lady" who you can trust. And not that we teach kids to trust everyone but let's be honest most know to go to a "nice lady" if anything happens, right? This is an attempt to remove the "right" of women to have girls trust them, it's sexist thatmen shouldn't be trusted just the same. I haven't articulated this very well probably.

thread collating systemic failings / failures in child protection and Safeguarding:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville-metoo

You're spot on, Nothingonthetellyagain.

It feels like a mass experiment in social control and conformity that puts us on the path to totalitarianism. This is how it starts.

Compelling others to repeat your lies is a well-established interrogation technique that is designed to break the spirit of those being interrogated. It's also a means to assert dominance over subordinates.

Cialdini and various social psychologists argue that when individuals can be coerced into abandoning their integrity by being compelled to repeat untruths they can then be bound to the coercive force by a need for consistency, mixed with shame and complicity.

Jacob T. Levy's piece about Authoritarianism and Post-Truth Politics highlighted this:
[The] great analysts of truth and speech under totalitarianism—George Orwell, Hannah Arendt, Vaclav Havel—can help us recognize this kind of lie for what it is. Sometimes—often—a leader with authoritarian tendencies will lie in order to make others repeat his lie both as a way to demonstrate and strengthen his power over them.

Saying something obviously untrue, and making your subordinates repeat it with a straight face in their own voice, is a particularly startling display of power over them. It’s something that was endemic to totalitarianism.

THIS is what girls in schools and in guides and so on are being expected to do - young girls told that boys are girls, that men are women, they can SEE, they know what's going on, and they are told they have to collude in this lie or they will be in trouble - sometimes it's hinted that this trouble will be with the police.

Exactly this, Nothing.

Everyone reading: imagine how cross you have become, looking at this news report. Think about what, for example, Guides wants to push on young girls. Exactly the same thing: the plain evidence of their eyes is wrong and to speak of it is bigoted. This is the worst possible thing for growing girls. They need to be given the ability and confidence to assert boundaries and speak up when something feels wrong.

Nothing - your posts on this thread have been brilliant: passionate, clear, correct.

This is such a poster person... never let anyone forget the lovely Jacinta.

Are TRAs just PIE with much more money and influence behind them ?

It's not just that, but it does seem as though there may be this element making use of the 'identity' movement. Wolves dressing up in the pretty lambskins so conveniently provided (and in this case apparently only metaphorically bothering with the dressing up).

• Also horrified that official crime statistics counting male paedophiles as women will be used to support the narrative that there are far more women paedophiles*

Yes. Sounds like there should be another FOI request specifically asking for numbers of people convicted of sex offences against children who are male or female at birth (using silly language if need be for avoidance of doubt) and then how many of these claim to be trans (and whether TW or TM, I think the previous FOI request on sex offenders didn't make this distinction). And then whatever numbers are needed to sensibly work out proportions relative to other serious crimes against people in their demographic.

If we're barking up the wrong tree on this and some paedophiles aren't making use of 'identity' I'd be delighted. Less evil is better in my book than more. The aim is to clarify the safeguarding issues not to score points.

Spectator article, James Kirkup 'If MPs can’t debate a rapist in a woman’s jail, politics has failed'

Last week, it was confirmed that the State put a rapist and paedophile in a women’s prison. That rapist, who uses the name Karen White, then sexually assaulted four women in that prison.

This is, of course, an outrage, a failure of public administration of the first order. Many people are angry, among them members of the Government that oversaw this failure. Many people have questions about how that failure came about. How did the Prison Service come to decide that Karen White, a person with a male body and a history of violent sexual crimes, should be put in New Hall prison? (New Hall, incidentally, also has a ‘mother and baby unit.’ The State did not just put a rapist in a women’s jail, they put a convicted paedophile in prison with children).

Was this just a catastrophic failure of judgement? Was it the result of flawed policy on the handling of transgender inmates? Did a climate of unthinking acquiescence to the demands of a highly effective transgender rights lobby contribute to this horrible mistake?

These are all legitimate questions, questions that should be debated and answered by the ministers responsible. These are the questions that Parliament exists to debate: questions about the conduct of public policy." (continues)
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/the-state-has-failed-karen-whites-victims/

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3365319-new-kirkup-article-about-bercow-s-refusal-to-let-mps-discuss-karen-white

Are TRAs just PIE with much more money and influence behind them ?

There is a confluence of different interests, imo. (Surely been stated elsewhere, but I'll reiterate it, possibly forgetting some factors).

• Coming from a sensible wish to live in peace and without discrimination, the trans-movement has been taken over by autogynephile, narcisstic nutters, who now make it all about trying to force people to see the world through their eyes because it gratifies them. They shit on safeguarding, it is all about mememememe. Nothing more important than people rolling out the red carpet for their kink. F*ck safeguarding.

• Some of them get a kick out of undressing in front of women...

• Some men are mysogynistic and think women should not have their own spaces, some may even be intrigued by the idea this could be an opening to get access to women or to women's positions (short lists).

• Paedophiles will sure latch onto the movement, as it dismantles safeguarding. (They latched onto gay rights, too, a couple of decades back. It took massive, sustained efforts by the gay communities to distance themselves effectively).

• It is big money for the pharma industry and doctors.

• It is an easy, cheap way to virtue signal for politicians (human rights blabla), without endangering the neoliberal consensus. Getting people to engage on that level prevent them organizing to overturn the economic status quo.

• Some billionaires fund this, who are into ideas of transhumanist developments. For this it is important to view the body as a commodity, where people think nothing of modifying it, implanting stuff into it...

• PoMo and anarchist types latch on it, because they think any established values need to be torn down, no matter what it is.

And all this - mostly driven by white economically well off males - has come together, resulting in the Perfect Storm.

It's in the print edition this morning, I have cut it out and will be showing it to everyone I meet.

You are if you say you are Dr Nkwor.

Self ID after all

Q

Sticking this in here as well - for anyone who might think there are links between TRAs who aggressively push this agenda, and PIE or other paedophiles, I give you this: threadreaderapp.com/thread/991258039511670784.html an article on the Paedophile's Manifesto, which, in one section, highlights exactly how they are trying to blur and weaken lines by pushing other forms of minority sexual stances. Their paragraphs on getting these other forms into schools describe exactly how schools are now dealing with transgender issues.

Blurring the child protection lines now in schools will only allow paedophiles better and easier access. I can't help but think that THESE are the drivers behind it all.

This is such a poster person... never let anyone forget the lovely Jacinta.

I do actually flinch physically whenever I open this thread.

If this man pretending to be a woman is also pretending to be a boy; why is he not in a youth offenders programme?

If this man pretending to be a woman is also pretending to be a boy; why is he not in a youth offenders programme?

I'll leave it up to you as to whether you want to further Google the mess Canada has itself in courtesy of stefonknee wolscht and those like SW who might then go on to intersect with the justice system (whether through homelessness or other circumstances).

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3356084/I-ve-gone-child-Husband-father-seven-52-leaves-wife-kids-live-transgender-SIX-YEAR-OLD-girl-named-Stefonknee.html

Presumably because he 'believes' he is a woman whilst 'pretending' to be a boy?

Bollocks, isn't it?

I will mention that Karen Jones was invited to address the House of Lords by Lord Patel on the topic of transgender prisoners.

KJ had been released early and very quietly despite the convictions for very serious crimes because there was no reasonable way of accommodating a convicted killer/attempted rapist in the female estate after the GRC was obtained.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3180050-Invited-to-talk-at-the-House-of-Lords

Very full detail here: www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5a8ff76260d03e7f57eabf57

I'll leave it up to you as to whether you want to further Google the mess Canada has itself in courtesy of stefonknee wolscht and those like SW who might then go on to intersect with the justice system (whether through homelessness or other circumstances).

I don't need to google anything, I've been fighting this a long long time.

Lurkers might like to though.

Presumably because he 'believes' he is a woman whilst 'pretending' to be a boy?

Exactly. they can't have it both ways.

Or it seems they can! Because to point it out means you are a bigot.

I can't find a link about Stefonknee being consulted with by the Canadian government - does anyone have one? I've been able to get my Canadian cousin to acknowledge that there are issues but she thinks the problems that the UK faces are not prevalent in Canada and I don't have much info to share.

"Yes. Sounds like there should be another FOI request specifically asking for numbers of people convicted of sex offences against children who are male or female at birth (using silly language if need be for avoidance of doubt) and then how many of these claim to be trans (and whether TW or TM, I think the previous FOI request on sex offenders didn't make this distinction). And then whatever numbers are needed to sensibly work out proportions relative to other serious crimes against people in their demographic. "

For crime stats, and I hope I'm wrong, they are not recording this at all.

For people convicted I would hope so >> maybe only if they go to prison?

"I've been able to get my Canadian cousin to acknowledge that there are issues but she thinks the problems that the UK faces are not prevalent in Canada"

Canadian me are different to British men?

i don't buy it.

men are men are men are men

All over the world.

Some societies more sexist, more entitled men, less interest from the authorities in crimes to women / children.
Others less.

But men are men are men are men. They dont' differ in different parts of the world, just what their societies deem acceptable and what they are allowed to get away with. Socialisation. Enforcement. But there is no quantitative difference between a man here, a man in Canada, a man in Brazil etc etc