Woman, 41, pretended to be a boy to groom a girl

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Jacinta Brooks is a serial paedophile

metro.co.uk/2018/10/01/trans-woman-pretended-to-be-a-boy-to-groom-a-girl-7994533/

"Prosecutor Berenice Mulvanny said that police found screenshots of the conversation with the girl along with hundreds of child abuse pictures. Brooks gave no comment during a police interview but admitted she ‘couldn’t argue’ about being attracted to children. Miss Mulvanny said: ‘Brooks knew the girl was underage but sent her sexual messages. The defendant originally pretended to be a 14-year-old boy but soon admitted her real age.’

Yes, you do have to pick. It's been very clear for some time, and has in fact been a warning sounded out to many women trying to 'find the compromise', that AWAs will. Not. Bend. To. Anything.

There will be no third space, they want yours. There will be no debate, you must submit.

They will scream and scream and scream and scream until they're sick.

This is delicious MN fudge.

Yummy I shall try to remember that one.

Careful though, it will choke you

Indeed, so let's be unbending back. You insisted that anyone who says they're a woman is? Fine, then rapists and convicted pedophiles who say they're women are True Transwomen. Now let's see how the general public feels about those True Transwomen being allowed to shower and change with their daughters.

Precisely. If I don't get to chuck Rose West or Katie Hopkins or Ann Coulter out of the woman category because they don't reflect well on teh group then transwomen don't get to either, and they've been very insistent about anyone who says they're a woman or a transwoman being one, so too bad if that's no longer convenient.

Excellent points AAK

If self ID is the preferred option for TW then they are a self selecting group and Jacinta gets to join.
Yes. You are right. They are transwomen. That's what self ID is. You TWAW advocates want people to be able to self certify, then Jacinta is YOURS. Enjoy.

Amnesty on GRA:
4. Trans women are women and there is no risk to single sex services

You might have heard discussions on the media and social media trying to tip trans rights against women’s rights. These discussions are informed by prejudice and misinformation. Trans women are women and trans men are men. Making the process to obtain legal gender recognition easier and respectful of human rights will only improve the lives of trans people, it will not affect anyone else." (continues)

www.amnesty.org.uk/have-your-say-gender-recognition-act?

current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3383981-Amnesty-has-jumped-the-shark

Why ate amnesty keen to put men people with working cocks who are convicted of violent sex offences against women, in women's prisons?

I thought amnesty were keen on incarcerated people being treated ok?

Or is it just the ones with penises they care about?

Clue: yes. They had the "having sex with other people is a human right" thing didnt they?

From amnesty's own website

8. The different categories of prisoners shall be kept in separate institutions or parts of institutions taking account of their sex, age, criminal record, the legal reason for their detention and the necessities of their treatment. Thus,
( a )Men and women shall so far as possible be detained in separate institutions; in an institution which receives both men and women the whole of the premises allocated to women shall be entirely separate;

Why are they now disregarding the UN Standard Minimum Rules?

Indeed, so let's be unbending back. You insisted that anyone who says they're a woman is? Fine, then rapists and convicted pedophiles who say they're women are True Transwomen. Now let's see how the general public feels about those True Transwomen being allowed to shower and change with their daughters.

Quite. I, for one, am quite prepared not to faff about in convoluted ways trying to avoid "misgendering" Jacinta.

By the stated definitions of the gender religion, Jacinta is a true transwoman and SHE is also a vile sex offender. I hope that HER community do not cast HER out.

This is an utter farce.

Shame on Amnesty

The thing is, I would worry about someone like Rose of Dawn going to a male prison, but then if there was a trans wing I would worry about them there too, locked up with the likes of Jacinta.
I know that male violence is not mine to fix, but I also have a son who may turn out to be a transsexual and commit a crime (who knows).
Basically, if the 2010 GRA hadn't come about I'm not sure there would really be any issue? Actual transsexuals (like Rose) would be in the female estate, which I think most women would be OK with, and the likes of Jacinta wouldn't have thought it was a possibility.
Or am I making no sense?
Aargh.

There are many very vulnerable males and females (espacially so) in the prison estate.

That's true Rowan. I do know that young men are pretty vulnerable inside also.
Still, as a blanket rule its insane to put men in with women.
The whole thing is depressing me tbh.

Depressing because I do care about males as well as females being abused in prison. I think that's what I find so upsetting-that on the whole women, mothers, have enormous compassion for vulnerable people and that compassion is bring shit all over and exploited by mysoginists with an agenda.
It feels like abuse, like when you let an abuser into your life and you can't quite believe they could really be that bad, until you are laid up in hospital with 3 broken ribs and a black eye.

The likelihood of Rose going to prison is probably pretty low though, whereas for Jacinta, it is a dead cert.

I think that prisons should be sex segregated, full stop. And yes, that is the end of the feminist argument about it.

But it isn't the end of the prison service's obligations to prisoners. Prisons are organised by risk. You can't put low risk prisoners (eg mortgage fraud) with high risk prisoners (eg violent murderers or predatory sex offenders) together just because they share a trans identity. We also know that housing prisoners so far away from family and friends that they can't visit is terrible for prisoner welfare and recidivism.

Anyone who cares about the (terrible) state of our prisons or prison reform generally will realise that, even if we do decide to sex segregate prisons, accommodating trans inmates properly will require significant investment.

Maybe Stonewall and Amnesty could put up the money for services to support transgender prisoners, Lang?

Fat chance of that happening.

LangCleg wrote: Anyone who cares about the (terrible) state of our prisons or prison reform generally will realise that, even if we do decide to sex segregate prisons, accommodating trans inmates properly will require significant investment.

^^ Very much this. Our criminal justice system needs a root and branch overhaul but funding it, particularly, in these times would be a very hard sell politically. But, of one thing I am certain - an appropriate analysis and reform can not be achieved when we aren't gathering statistics in a useful fashion.

The prison service is either going to have to invest in appropriate facilities for low and high risk transwomen prisoners within the male estate or else it's going to have to do the same in the female.

Low risk TW hopefully wouldn't be at more risk in a low security men's prison than a women's one, would they? It's mainly the high risk category who pose the problem - and women's prisons are generally not designed to deal with them.