Yet another consultation to fill in - on trans policy in sport

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Just seen this on Twitter from the Sport and Recreation Alliance. Very leading questions as always but it's a quick one to fill in so please do!

www.sportandrecreation.org.uk/pages/consultation-in-focus

Sorry if that's not clicky I'm not sure how to make sure it is.

At our football club there are about 20 teams, most of them Juniors.

Rat, I realise from previous threads that you think it's perfectly fine to include any and all male bodied individuals who identify as women in women's sports.

I on the other hand look at the girls currently playing rugby with DS (primary age so fine to play in mixed sex groups) and think "if these girls have to face a much heavier, much taller, much stronger male bodied transgirl in tackles, rucks and scrums in 3 or 4 years time, it's not just that they'll be losing to that team, they'll be coming off the pitch with broken limbs or on a stretcher with life-changing spinal injuries."

So fuck right off with the "this is only aimed at organisers" shite - everyone involved in women's sports whether coach, competitor, parent, or just enthusiastic supporter who enjoys watching fair competition, should have a voice.

Oh and a massive turnout for the soccer schools

I coach at club level. Last year I watched a U17 girls County match at my club. They were fantastic but if a boy in the same age group had played he would have laid waste to every girl present. Guess how I filled in that survey!!

'Name of Organisation (leave blank if not applicable)'

Er, yeah. So if you're involved in the sector but not part of an organisation, not if you're Joanne public. Quite obviously.

Dd plays hockey - by 10-12 yrs the difference in size and power of the boys is substantial. And potentially dangerous.

Only twats could think it’s ‘fair’ to have them play together.

Hate to break out to you but men and women play hockey together - like, on the same team together against other teams of men AND women with no special rules at all - both nationally and internationally. There are leagues, knockout competitions and very famous festivals garnering almost the whole hockey playing community playing the mixed sex variant perfectly safely.

Stupid twats should know it's unfair and dangerous. Stupid hockey players, don't know how to protect women. All of them. Even when they ARE women.

They don’t at my club

So, RatRolyPoly - you're going with 'perfectly Ok to let men in to compete with women, no problem at all', are you? All sports? Track and field events also? Boxing?

So fuck right off with the "this is only aimed at organisers" shite - everyone involved in women's sports whether coach, competitor, parent, or just enthusiastic supporter who enjoys watching fair competition, should have a voice.

Why do you have to be so rude, actually? I haven't come in here with any tone, why do you feel the need to address me like that?

Anyway, I don't for a second say someone shouldn't have a voice, even if it's well known I don't agree with them. I simply don't see the sense of people directing that voice at an organisation who will only be interested if you are from a certain demographic. If you are, great, I'm simply making the point. If you're not, you're both pissing into the wind and liable to piss people off. That's all I'm saying.

Don't bother replying if you can only communicate in the tone of your last message though please. Thanks.

I identify as a sports coach so filled it in.

No mixed teams at your club Helmet? Is it very small?

The tinies are mixed - up to about 8 yrs then all single sex. u-10s, u-12s. Teens don’t know? Five men (adult human male) teams. Three women (adult human female teams) last year.

Okay, fairly small then. I'm still surprised you don't have a summer season of mixed, or play the national knock-out competitions through the season. Does no-one from your club ever go on tour?? Actually I don't for a second believe they won't ever have, they're hockey players

Hate to break out to you but men and women play hockey together - like, on the same team together against other teams of men AND women with no special rules at all - both nationally and internationally.

There are special rules in mixed teams.

Here's a statistic for you.

U13 girls 800m national record: 2.13.87

U13 boys 800m national record: 2.04.1

The top 31 (it'll be more, but Power of Ten stats only give me 31) boys' times are ALL faster than that top girl's record.

U15 girls 800m national record: 2.06.22

U15 boys 800m national record: 1.58.83

Power of Ten gives me up to number 57 in the boys' rankings - which is 1.58.83.

If boys are allowed to compete as girls, a pretty slow runner as a boy can destroy the hopes, dreams and morale of the girls.

Any response to my reasonable questions, RatRolyPoly? I've provided some statistics to add some context to people's reasonable objections to letting boys and men cheat.

Actually, I will reply, in general terms, to make it clear that I've interacted with you on a lot of threads about sport, where you have been constantly dismissive of concerns about safety and fairness.

And also your very first post on this thread was clearly meant to convey the idea that only coaches/organisers were supposed to take part in this consultation - in other words, you were trying a tactic we've seen over and over again in connection with lots of consultations, namely attempting to silence the gender critical voices who object to the "everything in the garden is rosy, nothing to see here, #nodebate" approach to "consultation."

So - you don't have to engage with me, that's fair enough. But I am free to respond to your points, and I will do so.

Thanks for this. Am going to share as widely as possible.

Women’s sport is just getting the recognition that it needs and now this. Honestly!

There are special rules in mixed teams.

No there aren't. The only difference you might see is on striking shorts, but this is not a rule of mixed, it is by agreement of the teams involved.

Er, yeah. So if you're involved in the sector but not part of an organisation, not if you're Joanne public. Quite obviously.

Anyone with a child playing sport who might be hurt or lose out to a male child playing in what used to be single sex sport is involved.

Stop trying to silence women.

What’s it to you if concerned parents and others give their view on how this affects female children and adults involved? Why are you trying to discourage women and girls from informing people with influence about the impact on their rights?

Rat, i dont think you know anything about mixed hockey.

HI RatRolyPoly

No response at all to my questions? How about the statistics I gave (and as you know, there are many, many more that I could give) which demonstrate how letting boys and men compete against girls and women would destroy female sport?

Not bothered about that?

Filled it in. Getting really pissed off by the obvious bias in all these consultations. Yes, the perspective of trans people needs to be considered but so do the perspectives of women and girls, but they never ask about that.
its almost as if there is a deep cultural misogyny in society..........

What is it about I identify as a sports leader that is so hard to understand?

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I’ve emailed Sport England on this topic earlier this week.
Increasing diversity in sport has lots of benefits, for every participating & spectating sport. I think there’s an awful lot that organisations could be doing to encourage greater levels of open participation from lots of under-represented groups.
However I’ve also played competitive rugby & still compete in a single-sex sport so I am adamant of the need to maintain high standards of safety and of fair competition. It would be fantastic if sporting organisations could allow women to discuss these concerns openly without being called transphobic or hateful.
I enjoy mixed sex touch rugby, am not overly fussed about being a placing or two down in ParkRun, but would hate to have my nose broken by scrummaging against a man, or to lose my place in my rowing crew to a male.

I filled it is as a concerned woman with a daughter who plays sport.