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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Leeds WPUK cancelled

288 replies

LiverpoolReSisters · 28/09/2018 16:54

IMPORTANT NOTICE - It is with regret that we have to announce that our meeting in Leeds cannot go ahead due to late and unreasonable cancellation. We will be emailing attendees shortly with more information. We condemn this act of silencing women. More to follow.

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MnerXX · 28/09/2018 20:08

Glad you found another venue. What an absolute shower of shite to pull out like that. Hope it backfires.

Stillmuddlingthrough · 28/09/2018 20:15

how can Leeds residents help with this - any knowledgeable ladies have any ideas - could there be pressure or discussions with councillors?

HarropShitman · 28/09/2018 20:22

So glad you have found another venue. I was about to get on my horse and travel up there and in 3 days time lift up my dress and petticoats, take stones out of my drawers and start smashing windows.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 28/09/2018 20:31

Superseded by events since they have a venue, but otherwise a good article, thank you sensible people at Yorkshire Evening Post.

FermatsTheorem · 28/09/2018 20:41

I'm sure I've seen Aish Iqbal's journalism before and been very impressed by her.

ThisIsTemporarium · 28/09/2018 20:41

FYI - I’ve FOIA’d Leeds City Council.

Beagadorsrock · 28/09/2018 20:51

This is beyond belief - these TRAs need a cold shower, and fast!

I think since this is a public authority - and there are tweets of people saying they didn't just complain, but slandered WPUK to the relevant authorities - in cancelling a contractual licence for 'political' reasons (since 'transphobia' as claimed by TRAs is NOT a thing, so not a legitimate reason) they are definitely subject to judicial review etc.

I've read a couple of cases where for political reasons councils have breached contracts for groups to have their meetings or have enacted boycotts etc and the courts held that these violations of private law (contract) were illegitimate (Verrall v Gt Yarmouth, Wheeler v Leicester CC (which was a House of Lords case): from 1978 and 1985, so maybe the law has changed since then, although the HRA has come in and freedom of thought, of speech and of association are enshrined in it, so they should count for more...).
I wonder if that's why there appears to be an 'evolving' narrative, with someone saying that WPUK had been refused under their first name and then booked 'dishonestly' under another... That would give them a contractual reason to cancel (bit like lying to insurance), and I think they are trying to cover their backside.

So yes, I would dearly like to see a barrage of FOI requests and then a claim in contract, or book somewhere else where a similar situation might arise but prepared to serve an immediate interim injunction (which then means going to court).
These 'pretend' rights, the 'harm' that the complainers suggest - we know they do not exist YET (the rights), 'gender' is not a protected characteristic and the 'harm to feelings' is not and has not ever been considered sufficient in English law to prevent lawful activity or to breach enforceable contracts.

It would cost though, and you really need a good legal team.

On the negative side, those TELI-types wanted test cases.

AngryAngryAngryAngry

arranfan · 28/09/2018 20:55

@HarropShitman wrote: I was about to get on my horse and travel up there and in 3 days time

Are you a fan of Jane Austin or Ellis Peters? Courtesy of both, I tend to refer to journeys in terms of horse or donkey ride length. :)

NameChangedAgain18 · 28/09/2018 21:13

I would be happy to contribute to any legal proceedings. The government is holding a consultation about these issues, and local government is banning women from discussing them. This is a sham democracy.

Ereshkigal · 28/09/2018 21:18

So glad you have found another venue. I was about to get on my horse and travel up there and in 3 days time lift up my dress and petticoats, take stones out of my drawers and start smashing windows.

Wine
Sarahconnor1 · 28/09/2018 21:25

To lift spirits

Leeds WPUK cancelled
arranfan · 28/09/2018 21:27

Take heart. Even Sophie Walker of WEP thinks the cancellation of WPUK in Leeds was a bit much. Hmm

Women should have the right to meet and discuss changes to the law that will affect them. It is not transphobic to ask questions and we will not resolve valid questions about single sex spaces by shutting down debate.

twitter.com/SophieRunning/status/1045767663555923969

arranfan · 28/09/2018 21:36

Heartwarming tweet from Paul Embrey of FBU:

I believe that, in years to come, groups such as WomansPlaceUK, who are experiencing the most disgraceful vitriol and bullying in their defence of the simple concept of womanhood, will be remembered as the matchgirls and suffragettes are remembered. They will deserve no less.

twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1045750005854863360

anunseemlylovefordustin · 28/09/2018 21:54

I would gladly contribute towards legal
costs if someone started a crowdfunder or similar!

ContessasGulagSpaDay · 28/09/2018 22:01

Glad it is going ahead anyway - furious at Leeds f*ing council though Angry

Anlaf · 28/09/2018 22:19

Frustratingly a number of female Leeds councillors are chirpily defending the cancellation.

twitter.com/jess4labour/status/1045768878503186432?s=19
Well given - knowing that the booking would not be accepted due to our policies - the room booking was made without disclosing the reality of the meeting, and knowing the public opposition to your agenda meant you had to keep it secret until the last minute, we had to act fast 👍

twitter.com/hanbithell/status/1045739537861947392?s=19
They want some women banned from women’s spaces, as an proudly inclusive city that meeting should not be in a publicly funded building. They were told this months ago and rebooked under a false name!

Men make demands, women comply, women will take the flak for breaching Equalities duties.

Gah, you fools.

ToeToToe · 28/09/2018 22:22

I understand that we want women's spaces preserved, and those born male not allowed in on the basis of selfID.

Perfectly straightforward. Men cannot be women.

ToeToToe · 28/09/2018 22:27

This is all so ludicrous.

How is it that we are fighting now in 2018 for female only spaces - and certain women are just giving them away to males?

ANyone watch "Parade's ENd" ? With Benedict Cumberbatch ? There's a fab scen when she runs onto the golf course shouting Votes For Women!

We need to start shouting "Spaces for Women!" - I cannot believe that after the gains women's have made over the decades we are having to fight this shit! We don't want gender fucking neutral shit. OK?

#Spaces for Women

And Suffragette colours. Suffragettes never had to deal with a load of men calling themselves women - very few would would then!!

ToeToToe · 28/09/2018 22:27

Bloody typos. Terrible Grin

Knicknackpaddyflak · 28/09/2018 22:31

They want some women banned from women’s spaces

Saints preserve us from the terminally woke.

We want the male women banned from SOME female women's spaces where the female women have a right to privacy, dignity and separate provision from people with male bodies and where their provision is harmed by this. What the people with male bodies think and feel about this is not relevant; those spaces are to meet the needs of the female women. Unless you have a fixed belief that male trumps and outranks female and you must serve this at all times, what is wrong with you?

Men cannot turn into women. Transwomen are physically male. There is no way to make the presence of male bodies ok with all females, or to include those males without excluding some females - mostly the vulnerable ones. They have rights too.

Grip store = over there.

Sarahconnor1 · 28/09/2018 22:32

Is this the same Judith blake that cancelled the booking?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-15518411

Judith Blake, Labour deputy leader of Leeds City Council, said any future memorial should mark Sir Jimmy's "enormous contribution" to the city.

Anlaf · 28/09/2018 22:33

Yes. Same.

ToeToToe · 28/09/2018 22:36

Judith Blake, Labour deputy leader of Leeds City Council, said any future memorial should mark Sir Jimmy's "enormous contribution" to the city.

WTF? That the actual fucking fuck? How is she still in that job?

And - How is Joe Anderson still mayor of Liverpool when he tipped off a paedophile to clear his computer hard drive before the police raid the next day? And sued a school!!

Who are these people in public office?

arranfan · 28/09/2018 22:39

Who are these people in public office?

Presumably, they're people we elected.