Please MNHQ overturn Posie Parker's ban

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That's it really.
Add a post if you agree.

The impression that i got was that MNHQ are exhausted from the endless reports from TRAs who clearly picked Posie as a target and reported and reported until she was banned. Easier to acquiesce to men throwing their toys out than to put up with the slew of reports over nothing.

Also my impression. And all the vaguery is to obscure this simple truth.

Thank you Joan, that actually really specifically addresses what the issue is with MNHQ on this and I’m pleased you’ve stated it here. They are not being neutral here. They’re taking a position that punishes women who state facts, because it hurts feelings of those who actually have nothing to do with this forum at all. It’s pathetic.

@JoanSummers excellent articulate post, thank you.

@mnhq you have called this one wrong and I suggest you may wish to consider whether you are in breach of your duties under section 29(2) or 29(4) of the Equality Act 2010. Sex is a protected characteristic and it seems that you are not necessarily applying your moderation policies in the same way to males and females.

@MNHQ Are we going to get the pleasure of any further discussion from you or have you tapped out to help comfort the angry men?

Agreed

Trans activists are not being censored on this board from saying 'transwomen are women' despite the fact it is untrue and despite the fact it is intentionally offensive to women

This is very true.

What number of mners do you need support from to allow a sorely missed regular to return HQ? Tell us where the goalposts are. We women are counting on you.

HQ are exhausted because instead of standing up to the TRAs that have them against the wall of MNhouse, they’re fighting the wall and taking big chunks out it. Important chunks, the supporting kind. We all know what happens when supporting structures are damaged.

Trans activists are not being censored on this board from saying 'transwomen are women' despite the fact it is untrue and despite the fact it is intentionally offensive to women

I agree.

The above statement from MN is reductive and disappointing.

Great post from Joan above

Agreed

It's very telling that over on the Site Issues area, many women are stating that they come to Mumsnet for the Feminism area, and to talk to bright, intelligent, articulate, and amazing women.

Mumsnet really need to think about this. Posie is an articulate, straight talking woman.

I hope that Mumsnet will also review their moderating policies on trans discussions. We absolutely should be able to state biological reality above feelz.

I don't know Posie that well, so I can';t comment on the possibility of abusive PMs being sent. However, I refuse to believe either Maryz or thebewilderness were sending abusive PMs. I just don't believe it, though that seems to be implied too.

The impression that i got was that MNHQ are exhausted from the endless reports from TRAs who clearly picked Posie as a target and reported and reported until she was banned. Easier to acquiesce to men throwing their toys out than to put up with the slew of reports over nothing.

I think this is what happened too. It’s not a neutral act.

Joan, I stand corrected: MNHQ are not neutral. And when I said pick a side, I didn't mean agree with gender critical women, I meant pick the side of stifling debate, stopping free speech, keep trying to appease the tantrums and the mass reporting, or pick the side of allowing women to say what they want without calling names, deaththreats or harrassment, allow debate and arguments, with biscuits and the occasional swearing. Pick a side MNHQ, you are either for free speech or not

Agreed.
Please, MNHQ.

@JoanSummers

How does that responsibility work with Twitter?

That's a public platform, but they are banning women for way less than is bannable on here.

I'm not on Twitter. But I believe there is a survey they are conducting which would essentially mean you cannot tie biological function to the word woman?

Agreed

I think Twitter, like basically everywhere else, knows that they can treat women like shit because we don't have the money to force them to do otherwise, and even if we did the odds are stacked against us because our legal and political systems are institutionally sexist.

It's why men can still have their super secret special spaces where women aren't allowed, and the idea that trans 'men' could rock up and demand entry and expect to be centred is unthinkably absurd. Men have their boundaries respected. There have already been court cases, I'm sorry I don't remember the details, but in the US I'm sure there have been universities, and events for gay men, where men have successfully been able to keep trans 'men' out - boundaries enforced by men will have support from other men/male systems (e.g. male judges, police)

Yet there is no women's space - not even where we are naked, not even the space of our own language - where trans 'women' aren't invading and actually getting the red carpet treatment. Because women can set boundaries but men can ignore them or trample them and be sure that a good number of other men will either look the other way or cheer them on.

If the mods are exhausted because of TRA reports, my question has to be what on earth they thought would happen when they decided to take reports from non-members* on Twitter?

*80% keep their members

Agreed.

I would also like Posie back. I don’t always agree with her and I don’t have to, just as I don’t have to agree with anyone else on here. But the fact of the matters is that if you keep her banned then you’re in effect agreeing with Adrian Harrap, Primesight and Ocado.

Yet there is no women's space - not even where we are naked, not even the space of our own language - where trans 'women' aren't invading and actually getting the red carpet treatment. Because women can set boundaries but men can ignore them or trample them and be sure that a good number of other men will either look the other way or cheer them on.

Sobering. Or it would be if it weren’t somewhat dangerous for women to get drunk these days.

Yet there is no women's space - not even where we are naked, not even the space of our own language - where trans 'women' aren't invading and actually getting the red carpet treatment. Because women can set boundaries but men can ignore them or trample them and be sure that a good number of other men will either look the other way or cheer them on.

Also, to add to that, not just when you’re naked in a changing room, but even for smear tests, in a hostel, or even a prison. There is literally nowhere else to go.

Yes, quite. Women, stay at home where your big strong men can keep you safe and protected, eh? Don't worry about having a public life or medical treatment or suchlike, that's for the men and laydeez...

Yes, and make sure you’re nice when you talk about it, or preferably don’t talk about it, as you shouldn’t make other people uncomfortable with your views. So play nicely and follow the rules we’ve set on now you’re allowed to talk about yourselves. Oh, and by ‘yourselves’, just remember we don’t like you to use that ‘woman’ word anymore unless you’re really careful, it upsets people who want it now, so share nicely.