Butterfly - TV show

[GenderApostate]

Has anyone just seen the trailer?
Mermaids heavily featured with the line ‘I’d rather have a live Daughter than a dead son’ .

For fucking fucks sake .

Quackporridgebacon
Already have. Didn't do any good. Poor kid looks so unhappy. He tells dd he's unhappy but he can't tell anyone because his parents will go mad.
It's now being used to get more benefits. Parents are fighting council for extra bedroom and DLA! She has they local gay MP fighting it too. Apparently he can't share with 15 year old sister as he has a penis but can't share with 7 year old brother as he wants to be a girl!!! Therefore they should have. 4 bed home paid for!!!!!!

DLA? Why would he be eligible for DLA?

The Radio Times this week covers “Butterfly” by having interviews with two mothers - one pro- and one anti-transition for children/teenagers. So at least they have provided some balance. The “anti” mother makes some good points and also mentions the harassment which can come from trans activists.

Just to say that Prof. Michael Brooks has done a very helpful FOI request to establish a verifiable estimate for suicides in trans-identified teenagers.

What is the evidence on actual suicide amongst trans-identified young people in Britain? I submitted a Freedom of Information request to the NHS Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS), which serves patients aged under 18 in England and Wales. It provided information from 2016 to August 2018. One patient committed suicide (in 2017) and two attempted suicide. In addition, two patients on the waiting list committed suicide (in 2016 and 2017) and two attempted suicide. This makes a total of three suicides in two and a half years. Each case is a tragedy for the young person and for their family and friends. But the number is hard to square with the claims of Susie Green and transmum.

n sum, we know that four trans-identified children committed suicide in England and Wales since about 2008: one in 2017, two in 2016, and one apparently before 2014. To put these tragedies in perspective, the number of patients seen each year by GIDS increased from 700 in 2013/14 (when reporting began) to 2,700 in 2017/18. Figures for patients on the waiting list are not routinely reported, but we know they numbered 1,652 at the end of 2017/18.

www.transgendertrend.com/suicide-by-trans-identified-children-in-england-and-wales/

Zeugma It’s just so backwards. I see it as the same as anorexia, a mental health problem. Not something to be paraded about.

Excellent article: Is Changing Gender the New Anorexia?
www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/7362652/changing-gender-new-anorexia/

Bonkerz you need to report his mum. Who to though, I don't know.

I'd start with social services. Tell then what he says and what he tells the other kids. What you have observed and what his parents say.

Anyone read the comments under that Daily Mail article?

Mail commenters are notoriously batshit, bigoted and stupid. I really wouldn't want to turn to them for validation.

I didn't see any comments

article by Prof. Michael Biggs about Mermaids and other TRAs use of suicide statistics in reference to the drama Butterfly:
www.transgendertrend.com/suicide-by-trans-identified-children-in-england-and-wales/

& news of a new minister for suicide prevention who one hopes will be made aware of this as a need for investigation and action:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/10/uk-appoints-its-first-minister-for-suicide-prevention

BBC1 now

Bbc - All very happy clappy. Aren’t we doing a wonderful thing.

Oh dear, this brave and stunning piece of propaganda clashes with the excellent The Cry on BBC1.

Bonkerz She is taking the fucking piss. I say that as a mother who had to move so her daughter could have her own room (council property) and her daughter gets DLA. I’d report to whoever you can. She is forcing the child to become both sterilised and never fully developed because she wants money? Scummy cunt she is then.

Suzie Green seems to be trying to change history.

She said when their child started playing with “girls toys” at 4, and it wasn’t a big deal.

That’s very different to the TED talk she gave where she spoke about her H throwing away ever single “girl” toy the child had at 4 years old.
She seems to now realise how awful and effecting that would have been for her child, so she’s wiped it from the narrative.

Sorry my post above referred to her being in BBC1 at around 9.10 talking about Butterfly.

So I heard from a friend that the writer was just trying to write a 'nice' story. Was unaware of having walked in to a controversial issue, and won't enjoy the controversy at all. I don't think he did proper research. No excuse obviously, just thought it was interesting,

Also some trans suicide stats from Transgender Trend
www.transgendertrend.com/suicide-by-trans-identified-children-in-england-and-wales/

Suzie Green seems to be trying to change history.

That has seemed to happening a lot.

The BBC Breakfast bit was dire. Susie Green, Juno Dawson & the writer, who wrote it because some TV producer gave him the idea and said crack on.

The interview focused on aren't we groundbreaking and pronouns are sooo important. No touching on puberty, drugs or surgery even with a bargepole.

Didn't see BBC Breakfast, but I'm astonished that they're plugging an ITV drama. Is that something they do regularly? Or is it just when one that happens to be a bit of gobsmacking propaganda for an ideology they're pushing comes along, right at the time of a crucial government consultation??

Someone needs to do a sequel, Butterfly Regrets, where the boy is now in his 30s and coming to terms with the realities of the surgery and the side effects of the drugs and that he was just gay all along, his internal turmoil about who to hold responsible for what was done to him - his parents? The doctors? The media? The government? Ordinary people who didn't stand up and say - this is wrong?!

We could have flashbacks to the bits Susie left out of her story - the dad shaming him for liking girls toys etc.

A peek into the not too distant future, in other words.

Where is the dad? I've not seen him at all.

Do keep updating the thread with details:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296433-BBC-Bias-Collecting-Examples-here