Girl guiding email to parents.

[Wildboar]

Has anyone seen the mass email sent out this evening? They haven’t acknowledged any concerns put to them. All they have stated that there is no risk and they won’t inform parents of transgender members due to data protection laws.

I've responded asking them to confirm they are still single sex and that my daughter would never be expected to share sleeping or personal care facilities with someone who has male anatomy. I also added that I was more than happy to include trans people with female anatomy.

I know the response i get will just be blustet, I'll allow my daughter to continue for now but she won't be attending any overnights.

My email is still in my inbox. This must be a vast mailshot, so perhaps there will be the odd glitch.
I am going to consider my response and send it later this week. Despite it not addressing the issue in a meaningful way, at least GG are now engaging with parents. Hopefully a dialogue will come out of this.

Despite it not addressing the issue in a meaningful way, at least GG are now engaging with parents. Hopefully a dialogue will come out of this.

Good point.

Does anyone know if male bodied teenagers can make female bodied teenagers pregnant?

Not if they're trans Someone should tell the NHS - save a fortune on contraception services.

I also got this email and I’m currently trying to draft a response that adequately expresses my fury.

I wrote on here a few months ago about sending my eldest girl to guides when she turns five. In light of all this it’s safe to say that I won’t be signing her up when the time comes.

I'm just leaving this here. Just in case anyone new is looking and wants to find out a bit more about the guides....

Fair Play for Women doing some sterling work on that twitter thread there. I'm cheered to see the GC comments calling out GG for this shite which they've tried to cloak with an air of legality and wokeness. No- you might as well go the whole hog with your erasure of girls and just rebrand as "Young People Guides".

I simply can't believe after the press over the last few weeks with Karen White, Baloo Chanellor and Jess whatsisface they're insisting on pressing ahead with this. There are none so blind as those that will not see.

Just wondering what happens in school residentials regarding the self id of children - either way?

When is there going to be some sort of investigation into all this?

@noqont thank you for sharing that link, its really informative.

I agree with what the the vast majority are saying, regarding the safeguarding of girls.

Must refer to the post by Ugggg Tue 25-Sep-18 20:58:45, on page 6 (quote):

"What Girl guiding do not get or acknowledge is that they have not once thought about seeking the girls consent.There was no consultation with them. The message is shut up and put up, and totally disempowers girls and teaches them passive acceptance of males and male feelings. My concern is not simply what happens in a tent, it's what happens in a thousand and one other events during their lives when their ability to assert themselves will be so important, not just with males but with the pressure from whole organisations and authorities to accept stuff that they shouldn't have to eg sexual harassment at work."

YYY, that expresses it very well.

Valia 👍 It's important to get this information out there to people.

Woker in my unit there was emphasis on badges if we wanted them, I've still got my full sash including the baden powell award.
We did lots of fundraising activities, some of them with the scout unit who shared the same building.
There was a big family camp every year including church service on the Sunday morning.
One of our biggest fundraisers was a sponsored 24 hour table tennis tournament. All the guides would bed down in the main hall and play overnight with leaders at the other end.
That's what I think about with this policy, the women leaders having a man next to them, on the floor, in sleeping bags. I wouldn't be happy about that as a women now.
Or as a girl on camp, in a tent, showers separated by flimsy curtains.
The movement is crying out for volunteers. And this is how they treat them.
The whole thing just reeks and I'm heartbroken that other girls won't get the amazing opportunities and learning experiences I did because of this stupid, ignorant, blind policy.

Time for volunteers and parents to challenge the board and acting CEO methinks - they do not have to include male-bodied children......

And another point, I'm not talking about a million years ago.
I left guides 15 years ago. There were no trans kids in any of the guides or scouts units.
Plenty of gender non conforming kids, including myself by today's standards at least. Who were all welcomed supported and encouraged same as all the other kids.
My point being where are all these trans kids coming from? And why?
The girl guiding movement are exactly the people to be pushing against stereotypes.
Gender non conforming girls need a place like girl guides..
What a shame gghq are not up to the task anymore.

When Girlguiding start centering and proritising boys and men, to the detriment of girls and women, then it is fucking criminal.

Abuse of girls is what will happen, when men and boys are given free access to Girl Guides.

Isn't that a common porn fantasy for men, to smash women and girls' boundaries?

Well done, GirlGuiding. Slow handclap.

You've just gone and affirmed that you are a Men's Rights Activist campaign.

Spit.

where are all these trans kids coming from? And why?
The whole trans idealology is based on re-enforcing stereotypes, and if the girls (or boys) don't fit with that they see the only reason for it is being in the wrong body.

I know. And it makes me sick that we are going backwards.
The point was 15years ago there were no trans kids. Most of us were gender non conforming by today's standards.
We played basketball, rounders, cooked on fires, made codes, washed cars, pitched tents, made knots, cooked washed and dried up. Sang songs and performed funny skits by the camp fire with good humour just like the scouts did.
Nobody said we were boys.
If there were none then why are there so many now..
The girl guides and scouting movements have a duty to fight against regressive stereotypes.
They failed.

I do feel very sorry for the leaders. If we assume that every boy who thinks he is a girl is genuine, that it hasn't started as a teenager and that they don't desist as so many do, that all the girls are completely ok, that non are nervous at one boys, none want male free space, none have religious or social conditions that don't allow them to be free around boys, none habe been attacked etc...

So what about the leaders? I believe all the same sex leaders will share. And now they could very well be sharing with a male who claims to be female. Even if it is entirely innocent are all the leaders really comfortable? And if it isn't innocent, even if it's not AGP or planning to assault a child, even if none of the leaders have the problems listed above, will they FEEL entirely safe and comfortable?

Look out for Girl Guides branded sturdy pyjamas coming to a store near you.

Can anyone who is a leader or knows any come back in a few weeks to say if there has been any impact from this email? If girls have been removed etc. And does anyone know if this goes to the waiting list too? Otherwise they could be signing their daughters up for something other than they think.

it takes a special kind of person to insist on their entry to a single sex environment when there are mixed sex ones available

Yep. And can a male-born person honestly feel that they are a girl/woman if they do not understand or accept the potential negative impact of their presence in a female-only space? The lack of empathy is staggering.

Yy Jilly

Well if anyone wasn't aware this was happening Girl Guiding have just helpfully just informed every parent about this with their mass e-mail. I'd hate to be at their end of the phone right now.

At no point in that statement do they factually lay out the fact that teenage girls will end up sharing sleeping accommodation with a male bodied guide without parental knowledge

The statement must have had heavy TRA involvment. They have clearly forgetten that sex is a protected characteristic and that girl guides is entitled to be a female bodied group. Obviously all agencies need to follow the data protection AND adhere to the fact sex is a protected characteristic.

Id like to see the trans related questions in the survey put to guides. Do the questions layout the facts clearly? That the changing and sleeping arrangements will be without guide or parental knowledge. Do guides fully understand the dangers and how vulnerable they are? Adults should be looking at the wider picture and be safeguarding, thinking about what’s in the best interest for the girls