Girlguiding Issue coming up Good Morning Britain

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About to be discussed 7.40am. Suzzanah Reeves & Piers Morgan

I think that is why GG are stuffed atm. The change has come from outside agencies. It is nothing to do with the Girl Guiding ethos, or any of the people that actually run the units and oversee the areas.

It's perplexing to reconcile Julie Bentley's interview from 2012 when she was appointed head of GG;
(extract)
"Ms Bentley’s entire career has been at the sharp end of the voluntary sector work. She spent many years in youth work with drug and alcohol abusers before running the Suzy Lamplugh Trust. At the FPA she campaigned for the cervical cancer vaccination for girls and wider access to contraception among young women in the face of cuts to services.

But she sees no contradiction in this work and her role at the Guides. “I have worked in a wide range of settings and have a broad insight into what affects girls. I don’t think any of this is at odds with the Girl Guides. In fact I believe the Guides is the ultimate feminist organisation.”

And she has some surprising news for people who fear her arrival will mean classes on contraception for Guides: “It is already happening. Sexual health is covered very well by the Guides and many leaders conduct excellent sessions on the subject.”

One of her priorities is to increase the membership in areas where Guides have not traditionally had a presence, in particular in disadvantaged urban areas, so that more girls such as her have a chance to join.

She was never a Guide herself, coming from a working-class home in Essex where “joining things was not something we did — it was partly a class thing”. But she wishes she had." (cont)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/we-are-the-ultimate-feminists-says-julie-bentley-new-head-of-girl-guides-tnqck6hxjqp

Was there any mention of girls who are gender questioning, or even settled on social transitioning, being 'encouraged' to leave GG? To me that's one of the most shocking elements of this extraordinary policy. Your thoughts Bespin? Can't undrstand why Stephen Whittle thinks this is fine as well, given that he was a girl who found GG uniquely supportive in a hard adolescence.

I also do think it is perfectly possible for boys to be sexually assaulted or bullied when sharing sleeping accommodation with a group of girls. All part of the grooming of ALL children to accept any sexualised situatuon they find themselves in without question.

One of her priorities is to increase the membership in areas where Guides have not traditionally had a presence

Like boys and men 😂

Well done for this fight. Safeguarding is more important than their cult.

Personally I feel that Scouts have got it spot on. Anyone can join but you sleep / shower with your biological sex. Biological male and female have to attend camp if both sexes are present.

If Guides is becoming unisex they need to follow these really basic safeguarding rules.

I just saw this it finally got put up.

How thick is she.of course self ID is relevant. No one under 18 can have a grc so any trans kid is self identified.

*biological male and female leaders

Whoops

Again

I think the worst bit is the edging out of trans boys. If they wanna be guides let them.

Schools know it's nonsense or my daughter wouldn't be allowed to sleep with a trans boy.

Caught up now.

Did Suzie Green miss a lot of schooling or something?

no children are never inherently abusive

Actually some are, usually because they have a personality or neurological disorder. Like calloused and unemotional traits.

You're very nieve and should look up the history of some prolific criminals, you'll see alot offend from a young age and have no abuse or trauma in their backgrounds.

Personally I feel that Scouts have got it spot on.

I know a scout leader and she said alot of sexual (consentual) activity goes on between the teens. I assume some parents send to guides to avoid this. Where will those girls go now?

You are all much better at commenting on the issues than me but I just have to say it boils my blood that TRAs gloss over pregnancy risks.

Pregnancy is DANGEROUS it is a risk to LIFE. Birth is DANGEROUS it is a risk to LIFE.

FFS. It’s almost as if TRAs haven’t experienced the risks, pain and debilitation of pregnancy, birth and long lasting birth injuries.

And abortion is not a physically neutral act either, along with the morning after pill.

I am absolutely SICK of people acting like the female reproductive system is not integral to the health of our bodies overall. Penises and testicles are outside, separate. Wombs are totally intertwined with the working of the whole body during pregnancy.

The biologically is not just visibly different it is different on EVERY conceivable level that’s what mothers instinctively understand (having been through pregnancy) and want to protect their girls from while they are still too young and vulnerable to really be able to make informed choices (not that most grown women make informed choices about pregnancy in our society anyway due to patriarchy and misogyny).

Susi Green is either being totally disingenuous when she doesn’t seem to grasp that trans girls are not the same as girls, or she’s stupid.

Either way she should not be head of a charity.

Susi Green is either being totally disingenuous when she doesn’t seem to grasp that trans girls are not the same as girls, or she’s stupid.

Is it possible that SG and people like her genuinely don’t mix with people outside their bubble so don’t understand why others are not falling in with their way of thinking?

They’re so accustomed to being able to knee-jerk with, “You’re a transphobic bigot” that it must be difficult to cope with being interviewed by a notionally neutral person and not be able to use that response.

Things have moved on since I first posted and still not had a chance to watch this morning's broadcast. It's probably old news in this issue anyway by now.

Anyway just seen this on twitter. Apologies if it has been posted already...but is this goodbye to GirlGuiding? I hope not but this mess needs sorting. They can't have it both ways.

This is already on the other thread, I see. Am always behind the curve!

If they are forced to announce they are now mixed sex (which is exactly what their new stealth policies mean) then they lose their USP.

I expect they will see a distinct drop in numbers as families for whom single sex was an important factor will have nowhere to go and those that aren't bothered but want a sensible org that doesn't lie to and gaslight children and parents will choose Scouts.

Echr?

Caroline Farrow tweet this morning.

ECHR: European Convention on Human Rights

But the convention is a document. What’s the body that has asked GG to change their description?

@Ereshkigal

Helen denying that Jane Fae advised GGUK. It's a shame GGUK haven't managed to do so as far as I know.

Mimmymum is straight up lying.

I think she means EHRC, same letters, different order. Equality and Human Rights Commission. The organisation tasked with upholding the Equality Act 2010.

They state on their website that if girls decide to transition to boys then it's down to a discussion with the Unit and the child's parents as to how long they stay, with references to 'change & uncertainty'.

So they are basically a mixed sex, mixed gender organisation.
Despite what their website & policies say.
If that's what they have decided to be, they need to own it and not keep up the pretence that they are there for girls.

If they are forced to announce they are now mixed sex (which is exactly what their new stealth policies mean) then they lose their USP.

They are being forced to announce what is already the case.

The Girl Guides could decide to re-assert it being a single-sex organisation.

The Girl Guides would then have to ensure all of its policies were compatible.

It was given very poor advice in suggesting it could be a 'single gender' organisation for children.

It has an opportunity now and a very significant decision to make.

Ahhhh. Thanks

I think she means EHRC, same letters, different order. Equality and Human Rights Commission. The organisation tasked with upholding the Equality Act 2010. - Likewise, I think this was what she meant.