Girlguiding Issue coming up Good Morning Britain

[WarmWishes]

About to be discussed 7.40am. Suzzanah Reeves & Piers Morgan

[Ereshkigal]

Coincidentally just finally watched this. Great discussion. PM taking no prisoners. SG her awful self and I don't think she came across well at all. Caroline brilliant.

[MipMipMip]

Shelter have changed gender to sex on that page. Haven't checked the rest of the website. Good for them!
england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/repairs/check_if_your_home_is_overcrowded_by_law

[RedToothBrush]

Maria Miller @mariamilleruk
Met up with @Girlguiding at #ConservativeConference to hear more about their most recent attitudes survey and the issues that really matter to young women

[ChattyLion]

DickTERFin and KnickKnack .

[TurfClub]

SG's child got horrifically bullied by homophobes, which she dealt with with the hormones in Boston & surgery in Thailand. It's perhaps understandable that she centres her particular situation & decisions rather than the experience of half of humanity.

[OlennasWimple]

Was SG never a teen girl herself? Did she not ever encounter a teen boy?

We make all sorts of decisions on behalf of teenagers, to keep them safe and make sure that they don't do permanent stuff they regret. This includes getting a tattoo or bodily piercing, joining the army, getting married... There's a more blurred line around medical issues, but even in something like a custody battle the judge won't always agree with a child who wants to live with their mother (or father) that that is the right place for them if there is evidence that it would be harmful.

So what's the difference here?

[NothingOnTellyAgain]

This is essentially what whining boys trying to get in your knickers have said but now it is supported by people who girls trust and respect. If the govt and the LGB people and GG say this is right - TWAW and can be lesbians and lesbian girls have transphobic ideas that they need to deal with if they dont' fancy having sex with them.

Age 12 up FFS.

[NothingOnTellyAgain]

Girls age 12 - 16 are very in demand age for grooming.

Men will access whatever way they can.

This way they have a massive lever in the form of "if you wont have sex with me you're as bad as a nazi, and probabyl I'll commit suicide".

[NothingOnTellyAgain]

"What got her to start to question the dogma were the transgirl lesbians, aged 12-21, in her LGTB+ youth group. The amount of pressure they put on the young lesbians in the group to have sex with them was unreal."

Yeah deffo don't sound like blokes at all.

[NonHypotheticalLurkingParent]

It worked out to be about 25% translesbians, a significant proportion of the group - 25% transboys 35% gay, 10% lesbian, 5% not sure. We live in a rural market town and this was 4 years ago just when the ideology really started to take hold.

I'm in no doubt that DD identified out of sexual pressure. As a transboy who dated girls or other transboys, she identified out of sexual pressure from boys and also the stigma of being a lesbian, which brings it's own added sexual pressure from boys wanting to watch girls get it on.

Teenagers do stupid things without thinking, they're learning, but that's why we have safeguarding - to provide parameters to keep them safe while they learn about life.

The GG are really not taking this seriously.

[NewWomensMovement]

Shit. What is happening to poor young people?

[TurfClub]

Ugh. So how many self-identified lesbians-with-penises were in the group?

[Melamin]

NonHypothetical - that sounds awful for you DD. The sexual pressures on young girls are tough.

When I was young, you could opt out and immerse yourself in schoolwork. Then the papers started having articles about the high flying female maths students that also looked hot (never mind the ones about sugar daddies paying for school fees with no sex involved and being an 'escort').

My friend's DD went to uni and came back declaring herself asexual and aromantic and has spent the last 3 years in her room She really believes that male bodied trans women can be lesbians (as does my DD who did biology FFS, in fact they both did). There has been a lot going on that we parents have been unaware of.

[NonHypotheticalLurkingParent]

My DD identified as trans for 4 years - is now definitely not, though still has trouble reconciling some aspects of the ideas.

What got her to start to question the dogma were the transgirl lesbians, aged 12-21, in her LGTB+ youth group. The amount of pressure they put on the young lesbians in the group to have sex with them was unreal. This led to lots of conversations about consent, boundaries and, the most important one, that not all paedophiles/abusers are older than 40.

From my personal experience, there is no way I would let my DD share a room with a transwoman, from her experience DD would also refuse to share a room.

[AbsintheFriends]

And given how many prominent 'trans girls' also self-identify as lesbian, it's not difficult to see that issues are going to (ahem) arise...

[KERALA1]

I absolutely agree with gendercritter about teens. I remember asking my parents if I could so somewhere with a new boyfriend full on teen strop. They just said no. A small part of me was relieved. I don't want to be patronising but teens (especially ones socialised to be nice and in this gender inclusive world) are not best placed to make these decisions about who goes into what space.

They may get to 35 and wtf did adults allow that..

[boatyardblues]

If I was being super, super generous to Susie Green, she got her own child onto cross-sex hormones (from overseas) at ~14 and then took her child abroad to have her child’s penis and testicles removed at 16, so its possible her child has no sexual feelings or interest in their peers because of the resultant hormonal maelstrom. This doesn’t, of course, mean all trans teens have had such drastic treatment or lack sexual feelings, especially those being managed more conservatively.

[DodoPatrol]

I shouldn't think she did it 'merrily', but I agree that once you've done that, there can be no way of admitting to yourself that it was anything other than the right thing to do. How would you live with yourself with that doubt?

I suspect my child had an unnecessary appendix removal (something about the weaselly words of the surgeon that they had 'removed what in my opinion may show signs of inflammation'). I feel pretty bad for allowing that fairly minor op without querying the diagnosis. But this...

[ShotsFired]

I suppose when you are the sort of mother who merrily takes their child for castration at 16, you have really tied your colours to the mast and there is no way back from that.

She has to go all-in for good; or admit she was entirely wrong from the start.

[ChattyLion]

Exactly. Not naive. She’s heard the evidenced arguments but prefers a dogma that is very questionable.

[NewWomensMovement]

It doesn't seem naive, it seems deranged as though she thinks 'trangender kids' are sexless angels from God who never think a bad thought and can teach all the wayward children with functioning genitals the pure way of light.

Medically 'transed' kids are actually eunuchs not members of the opposite sex. They'll never have orgasms and they'll never have sex in their lives (especially MtF). The best the can achieve if a simulated sex act with fabricated mock genitals.

She is willfully blind. Very few kids in this day and age are eunuchs.

[LillyoftheCentralValley]

Children abuse other children. 20% of all females experience some form of sexual assault before they turn 18, and not all offenders are adults.

1/5th to 1/3 of all child sexual abuse is committed by other children.

The majority of abuse victims are female. The majority of offenders are male. The orientation of the offender is not determinative of whether or not they will abuse. Opportunity is a determining factor.

This includes violence and penetration. This not just childhood experimentation.

Good gee-awd. How do people in charge of children's sleeping arrangements not know this?

[AngryAttackKittens]

The idea that sexual assault isn't an issue until kids turn 18 is just bizarre. I suppose Green would claim that she's never parented a teenage boy, but surely she's met one occasionally. She'd do well to listen to the experiences of women and girls assaulted by teenage boys too., or even just pick up a paper occasionally.

[failingatlife]

SG seems very naive about children. A relative of my mum was sexually abused by an older cousin when she was a very young child. The cousin began abusng her when she was 3 & he was 12. The abuse went on for several years. This was in the 60s so long before the pornified world children face today. Safeguarding is bloody crucial to protect children from adults and other kids.

[NewWomensMovement]

I thought Susie Green came across as someone a bit mad and capable of doing anything to get her way.

Piers Morgan did a good job of challenging her.