John Ozimek (now Jane Fae) on women, feminists and victims of pornographers

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From the Skin Two Fetish yearbook, 2009 (Skin Two Issue 60), by John Ozimek, edited in 2012 by 'Jane Fae' (sorry I don't have the original John version) www.somethingdark.eu/downloads/Jane-Fae_Tyrannys-genesis-and-its-opposition_SDk-Latest-News_USL.pdf

'One of Labour’s first actions on coming to power was to put in place a group (of women) at the Home Office whose task it would be to steer a review of the law in respect of sexual activity.'

'Government would recoil in horror at a proposal to place men in charge of a review of the law on rape; yet, over and over, those at the heart of developing change in the field of sexual law have been female, feminist or exceedingly Christian. '

'It was David Blunkett, Home Secretary 2001–04 and a very committed Christian, who observed how wonderful it was to be surrounded by so many of like persuasion amongst his coven of Home Office special advisers.'

' SORT was widely considered to be an offshoot of radical feminism, with very little interest in views that clashed with their beliefs. The emphasis shifted very quickly from the rights of the individual to a focus on the perceived (female) “victim”. '

SORT focused 'the “consent” debate on the issue of when an individual might be said to have withdrawn consent.'

'they brought on board an academic team (three feminists, naturally) who carried out a wholly skewed rapid evidence assessment (REA) and concluded that yes, maybe extreme porn did cause harm.'

Sooooo:

• scare quotes around 'victim' (of sexual abuse)
• compares putting men (those who rape) in charge of rape law with putting women (those who get raped to make porn) in charge of porn law
• alludes to Blunkett's female advisers as witches
• sneering contempt for feminists

Note that since this was published in 2009, John Ozimek became Jane Fae, adviser of Girl Guides on safeguarding, and now identifies and is identified as a feminist (www.theguardian.com/profile/jane-fae). Which is strange considering previous contempt for feminism. Anyone would think it was all a strategy to undermine feminism. But no THAT NEVER HAPPENS.

Maybe. Hopefully someone will ask them to clarify.

I've read that Guardian article before, but even on repeat reading, I am shocked anew by what an utterly abhorrent, selfish bastard Fae is. There was never going to be a good time to tell the poor daughter, apparently. Well, no, probably not. But there sure as Hell was a completely appalling and inappropriate time to tell her and so, naturally, Fae picked that!

GG needs to make a more forcefully statement than

"Hello, we have never taken advice from this individual. Thanks"

A person with very questionable opinions is claiming to have links with your organisation. It's not the time to be chatty and polite.

I think GG are more likely to

a. not know they are the same person or
b. be putting a certain interpretation on "taking advice" that they have not shared

I think that is more likely than Jane is lying. Jane seems to be very upfront abotu things even when it makes them look like a total bastard. Could be on the wind up. I'd put monye on A or B though. So. Wait and see how this plays out.

single sex spaces. Perfectly legal under the equalities act in order to satisfy a proportionate need. Thus, single sex rather than gender showers and changing rooms in a gym club, for e.g., are perfectly legal.

Turph I agree with this however there is an additional danger that is not much discussed. If a man who does not claim to be trans applies to be a guide leader and the guides allows those without a GRC who are permitted to be guide leaders without a GRC, they are legally male. This means another legal male could claim they are being discriminated against by not being permitted to be admitted. The GG would find it difficult to claim it is permitted to exclude some legal males but not other legal males as they have already established that there is no justification in excluding some legal males. This would be likewise for any organisation which seeks to exclude some legal males but to include some legal males. Clearly this is preposterous but we are not short of absurdity in TRA land.

GG needs to make a more forcefully statement than
"Hello, we have never taken advice from this individual. Thanks"

Especially considering that GG's first Twitter statements said that they basically never took advice from any individuals.

I’m confused now.

If Girl Guiding says they haven’t taken advice from Fae, and let’s say that’s true, what on earth has Fae been contacting GG about? What is the interest in Girl Guides? Because I agree that Fae wouldn’t lie.

Girl Guides previously said they took advice from individuals.

Our current Equality and Diversity policy and guidelines were developed based on feedback and queries from a number of our young and adult members, some of whom were young trans people, as well as advice from expert organisations in the field

'a number of our adult members'
So I don't know who that would be

You can find it on their twitter on September 10

James Morton ( transman)from Scottish Trans Alliance also advised the GG . James also co wrote Unison's submission to the Maria Miller enquiry in which they asked for the exceptions 're employment in the equality act be scrapped in the case of trans people! James has fingers in lots of pies, advising pretty much every government body in Scotland and the wider UK.

James Morton not only advocated for the scrapping of the Genuine Occupational Requirement (which allows a post to be limited to female only applicants, eg a rape counsellor) but wanted it replaced by a new GOR to allow a post to be limited to trans only applicants.

So to be clear, James wants to take away the right of women who have been raped to be counselled by a female, while wanting to introduce a right for certain posts to be trans only.

Aunt Lydia.

It sounds like some trans men really hate women! How fucking sad.

It all boils down to 'mummy' issues.

Every time.

By the way, you can't win.

Jane Fae is also on a long tedious video (at a Labour event I think) alongside Whittle and the barrister Julian Someone, talking about sexual consent re being trans, which I tried to watch and analyse but could not finish the task.

I forge who said what, but it is quite creepy

lemonjello ah yes, how did I forget that! James and STA need further investigating, they are literally informing policy everywhere.

Fermat a huge huge thank you fromme for the clarity around the law. Its solid gold. Should be a sticky. Can you make a fresh thread? I'm happy to if you aren't. We need a thread we can bump and remind everyone.

James Morton and Bex Stinson are not ashamed of making these changes by talking to service providers rather than service users, in quiet rooms away from the media and the public eye. They seem to think it's praiseworthy, and they certainly credit the tactic for the erasure of women as a legal category in Scotland.

consultation where you can give your views on trans teaching in schools

Interesting to see extreme-porn advocate Fae being introduced as a 'feminist' in that clip, given the disdain Fae has for feminists.

They all do this. It's narcissistic reversal. They get a kick out of it. None of them could remotely be described as a feminist, even if they were actually female.

I still, every day, find it shocking how far these individuals and organisations have pushed their cause and the (likely intended) effects on weakening all safeguarding measures for children. This alongside the challenges faced by social workers and services due to austerity budgets seems to be leading to a perfect storm of outrageous, predictable - and potentially avoidable - harm coming to some of the most vulnerable members of society. And no-one seems able to stop them.

Charlie - massive disclaimer. I'm not a lawyer. (I did however work in a job once where a major part of my job was being first point of contact for professional bodies re. points of law, and I had to know the acts of parliament relevant to my job - I could usually second guess the lawyers very accurately. I'd say "well I'll have to check but I'm pretty sure what the lawyers will say is...", phone them up to check, then phone back and say "yes, that was indeed the line the lawyers took...")

If you go to the actual acts of parliament and read them thinking "who does this apply to? How would it apply to a random member of the public merely repeating something the person themselves has placed in the public domain? A teacher with access to a student's records? A lawyer privy to privileged information? A doctor privy to confidential information?" it usually becomes fairly obvious what the law is intended to cover and what it is not intended to cover.

Libel (spreading malicious falsehoods) is illegal, the Roman Catholic sin of calumny (spreading malicious truths) is not. Circumstances round the spreading of malicious truths may make for another crime - e.g. harrassment, or breaking of confidentiality, but telling the truth itself is not a crime. Not in our society at any rate.

Jane Faye's involvement with the Hampstead Heath Women's Pool's policy:

PRI's The World September 25, By Allison Herrera

Jane Faye was early in her transition from male to female when she was accosted before entering the women's changing area. It was a Saturday morning, and she was getting ready to step into the pool with her then 5-year-old son. A man appeared out of nowhere and threatened her.

“This man just hogged the way. And said, 'You're not going in there.' And I said, "Why not?" And he just said, 'Well, I'm going to hit you if you do,'” said Faye, who lives north of London.

It was a terrifying moment. "And I think [among] the various lessons I learned very early on in transition is that men were dangerous.”

So, when Faye first heard about the Hampstead Heath Ladies' Pond, a women-only swimming pond in the middle of London, she assumed it was a safe space for all women, including transgender women like herself. “The general feeling is that at present, at least in this country, trans people have rights,” she said." (continues)

“I have dealt with correspondence from people who have suffered sexual violence at the hands of men who have been very scared by the idea of what they perceive as men swimming here," said Mayhew [co-chair of the Kenwood Ladies' Pond Association]. But she says that trans women also experience violence.

”I mean, if you look at the research on the experiences of transgender women, they are often people who have been victims of violence and abuse and bullying." (cont.)

Faye said the Daily Mail article along with a thing called Man Friday just whipped up a lot of anti-trans hysteria. Man Friday was a protest that erupted at the men's only pond about a half mile away. Women went topless, sported fake beards and went into the men's changing area to prove a point: They think gender isn't fluid. Faye says that's nonsense.

Faye is a journalist. When the controversy happened at the Ladies' Pond, she was asked to speak on several programs and wrote several articles defending transgender rights in the UK.

"The radical feminists in this country, together with the press, have whipped up a sort of hysteria around this, [the idea that] any man can get up on a Wednesday and declare themselves a woman and go into any woman's space anywhere, which is not true." (continues)

www.pri.org/stories/2018-09-25/transgender-women-are-women-organizers-say-after-controversy-over-women-only-pond

Faye has been writing articles, lobbying and campaigning for many years.... do journalists ever check what else has been written?

Sexist pervert.
Stay out of women's spaces.
Taking a boy child to boot!

Clearly this was strategic boundary pushing by Fae.